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View Poll Results: Has your opinion of the MAULER changed after reading aobut the real one? | |||
Yes, Favorable | 84 | 57.53% | |
No | 37 | 25.34% | |
Yes, Unfavorable | 2 | 1.37% | |
Don't care. | 23 | 15.75% | |
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03-12-2009, 12:25 PM | #11 |
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I remember reading a book, in the mid-1990s, about spy planes which talked about the SR-71 drone program. In the book, they had a picture of a mid-air crash where apparently the drone on launch fell through the SR-71, cutting it in half. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and maybe where to find the picture?
Anyway, it also put a new spin on the Cobra Night Raven for me, thinking about if Cobra ever lost any NRs that way. ;) |
03-12-2009, 12:31 PM | #12 |
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Awesome! I found this pictures
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03-12-2009, 12:46 PM | #13 |
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The Stryker is a bit of a joke. They cost millions to build and field, only to need upgrades and changes to each environment after wards. Wheeled vehicles aren't the way of the future. Tires are meant for roads, not for all terrains that are neccessary for the military to traverse. We need tracked vehicles with upped armor. There is a campaign to get M113s out of storage and upgrade them for pennies on the dollar compared to the Stryker program.
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Our main issue right now is a light vehicle that can be air dropped. That is where countries like Russia completely outshine us. Russia moves FAST when they attack because of their huge list of air drop capable vehicles. The conflict in Georgia surprised everyone with how fast and swiftly Russia destroyed an equally equipped and trained force.
The issue is that the US covets a light capability that is really such a paradox that it may never be accomplished fully. You want light (air transportable), fast, and quiet, yet armored enough to withstand anti-tank weaponry (RPG HEAT, mines, and HE artillery) and IEDs. Sure, let's make pigs fly while we're at it. Light, fast and heavily armored do not mix. Kinda like fighting a urban war without casualties... |
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03-12-2009, 12:46 PM | #14 |
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Here are just a few. Even the PAC-RATS are real if you look them up. I am too tired to name them all.
M.O.B.A.T. = M-551 Sheridan Light Attack Tank R.A.M. = 1981 Honda CBX: V.A.M.P. = Lamborghini Cheetah: F.L.A.K. = 10.5 cm FlaK 38 H.A.L. = M198 155mm Towed Howetzer J.U.M.P. = Bell Rocket Belt M.M.S. = MIM-23 Hawk APC = M-93 Fox Dragonfly XH-1 = Bell Textron AH-1 Cobra F.A.N.G. = Benson Gyrocopter USS Flagg (CVN68 Nimitz Class) Toss ‘n Cross (M60A1 Bridgelayer Tank) Sky Striker (F14A Tomcat) Warthog (LVT7 USMC Landing Vehicle) A.W.E. Striker (Chenowith Fast Attack Vehicle) Cobra Rattler (A-10 Thunderbolt) Cobra Night Raven (SR71 Blackbird)
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03-12-2009, 12:55 PM | #15 |
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03-12-2009, 01:05 PM | #16 |
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I've heard plenty of good info supporting your points. The problem is that there is a whole "new, light, quiet, wheeled army" cabal that has dictated the whole FCS program. Of course, there has been plenty of opposition, but pulling out old mothballed vehicles for upgrades is not all that popular either.
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Russia has some great weapons systems, some of them superior to the US counterparts (reference the RPG), but those weapons didn't fare so well when confronted by the full heavy divisions (reference '91 Gulf War and '03 Iraq War, granted that was not the Russian Army).
The issue is that the US covets a light capability that is really such a paradox that it may never be accomplished fully. You want light (air transportable), fast, and quiet, yet armored enough to withstand anti-tank weaponry (RPG HEAT, mines, and HE artillery) and IEDs. Sure, let's make pigs fly while we're at it. Light, fast and heavily armored do not mix. Kinda like fighting a urban war without casualties... The stryker was supposed to be air drop capable, but that idea was lost after production overruns. bastards.
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03-12-2009, 01:10 PM | #17 |
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Yeah, the military is driven by new and sexy. It really dictates our whole fighter program and if pilots will fly the craft or not. Which is unfortunate. Not that sexy is bad, but there were some good craft turned down because they didn't look good enough.
Totally right. I don't think Russians would fold as fast as the Iraqis did, but that was mainly due to morale and fear. Iraq had the third largest military in the world back then. Most forget that. The United States was really nervous going to war with them. Although they fought on occasion, the Iraqi's largely ran away when confronted. Our military was extremely worried about the T-72s. They could destroy an Abrams tank in a single shot with that massive rifle. Russian tanks have always been brutes though. Now with armor advancements they aren't so much a threat, but they aren't the Russian backbone tank anymore. They still have tons of them, but Russia's workhorses' are the t-80s and t-90s. The stryker was supposed to be air drop capable, but that idea was lost after production overruns. bastards. I've heard the Bushmaster on the Bradleys will chew up a T-72 like it was a Coke can. |
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03-12-2009, 01:36 PM | #18 |
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BMPs or MTLBs, yes. T-72s, I doubt it. They might set off their reactive armor and then pop them with a TOW. |
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03-12-2009, 01:37 PM | #19 |
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I'm sure a lot of things can chew up a old t-72, that doesn't mean a t-72 can't chew back with the right ammo. Probably not like it did awhile a go, though. Very few nations are hanging on to T-72s, most of them are 3rd world nations. Russia uses the bulk of theirs for national guard service. We don't even use an equivalent generation of tank anymore, not actively anyway.
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03-12-2009, 01:38 PM | #20 |
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I'll have to ask the neighbor, he'd know for sure.
He's been 2-3 times and i've heard the stories about just how capable the insurgents are at torching are big, expensive tanks. I'll never get why people like the looks of the Raptor. Then again, if it isn't current Russian i don't care for jet designs in general. |
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