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05-17-2021, 01:10 PM | #31 |
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Your reading comprehension skills are hella low, but fuck all of that. Is this a recurring issue on the Tank where dudes will take a small piece of information to prove a bullshit point while completely ignoring all of the other relevant information in a given piece? The reason I ask is because this is the second time that this has happen.
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05-17-2021, 01:13 PM | #32 |
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Your reading comprehension skills are hella low, but fuck all of that. Is this a recurring issue on the Tank where dudes will take a small piece of information to prove a bullshit point while completely ignoring all of the other relevant information in a given piece? The reason I ask is because this is the second time that this has happen.
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05-17-2021, 01:59 PM | #33 |
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I don't have too much of a problem with it, with Cobra being a global threat. But it raises the "Sokovia Accords" question: who orders the Joe team around? I can't see Roadblock, Duke and Flint taking orders from the UN...
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05-17-2021, 02:17 PM | #34 |
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Ultimately the franchise isn't about exploring the nitty-gritty of the bureaucracy surrounding the GI Joe team...it's about trying to sell toys, and usually that's not something that depends on a detailed knowledge of the chain of command above "the leader." Hasbro wants GI Joe to be international so it sells more toys internationally. That's pretty much all there is to it. It'll likely always be American-dominated in spite of that (and that may lead to it continuing to lag in international presence), but trying to market "A Real American Hero" anywhere outside America is likely to be...challenging these days. Even in the "old days" (as noted by others) other countries often changed characters uniforms and backstories to better fit the locale they were being sold (or made them into new characters altogether). Last edited by Jmacq1; 05-17-2021 at 02:19 PM.. |
05-17-2021, 02:50 PM | #35 |
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05-17-2021, 02:57 PM | #36 |
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I'm just trippin' off of the fact that not only dude doesn't know what never and explicit means, he's arguing a contradiction in the post that he's attempting to defend.
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05-17-2021, 04:38 PM | #37 |
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I'm in agreement with Fred Broca's observation that the Declassified Joes were never intended to be US Military, possibly for all the reasons that others have already mentioned in this thread.
That said, I have noticed that the 6 inch line began as what I interpreted to be a super hero line of action figures, complete with glowing energy in their costumes, and some having boot jet thrusters. Over time, the line began to change into something more recognizably closer to that of the ARAH line (because nostalgia sells better, I think). This nostalgia sales strategy is more evident with the G.I. Joe Retro line of 4 inch scaled figures with vehicles, which has remained U.S. military. Quote:
The GI Joe team hasn’t been a part of the US military since 2008 with the 25th line. For the entirety of Hasbro’s Modern Era line from 2009 until it’s end in 2016 (we are excluding the club because it wasn’t Hasbro), GI Joe was militaristic and was American, but they were never explicitly a part of the US Military. None of the vehicles had any US Military markings besides the Skystriker, which also included GI Joe logos to use instead, and only included the US logos so you can make it look like the classic one. Likewise, none of the filecards or other such info tied GI Joe to the US military. Yes, certain characters had military backgrounds, but that doesn’t mean the GI Joe team was in fact a part of the US armed forces.
The officially licensed products by Master Collector/Fun Publications/G.I. Joe Collectors Club expressly described the G.I. Joe team as nothing buy U.S. military during the years 2008-2018 (and the years prior to that also). G.I. Joe ARAH has proudly sported the U.S. military national symbol (as per the 1942 Army regulation AR-850-5) using a plain white five pointed star on a great many vehicles throughout the line, whether that be the 1982 M.O.B.A.T. or the 2020 A.W.E. Striker vehicle, or the hundred or more vehicles in between those products. Even at the tail end of Mark Weber's management of the 50th Anniversary line of retail products as late as 2015, the products were decidedly U.S. military saying "A Real American Hero" at the top left corner of the vehicle instruction sheets for products such as the F.O.E. Striker and the Wolf Squad Sky Striker. The vehicle decals continued to use the five pointed star, and the words "United States" on these military vehicles. There can be no doubt that G.I. Joe in the 4 inch scale has been and is currently U.S. military... but no such evidence exists for Declassified.
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05-17-2021, 04:44 PM | #38 |
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Respectfully, Yeet is so very wrong about this.
The officially licensed products by Master Collector/Fun Publications/G.I. Joe Collectors Club expressly described the G.I. Joe team as nothing buy U.S. military during the years 2008-2018 (and the years prior to that also). G.I. Joe ARAH has proudly sported the U.S. military national symbol (as per the 1942 Army regulation AR-850-5) using a plain white five pointed star on a great many vehicles throughout the line, whether that be the 1982 M.O.B.A.T. or the 2020 A.W.E. Striker vehicle, or the hundred or more vehicles in between those products. Even at the tail end of Mark Weber's management of the 50th Anniversary line of retail products as late as 2015, the products were decidedly U.S. military saying "A Real American Hero" at the top left corner of the vehicle instruction sheets for products such as the F.O.E. Striker and the Wolf Squad Sky Striker. The vehicle decals continued to use the five pointed star, and the words "United States" on these military vehicles. There can be no doubt that G.I. Joe in the 4 inch scale has been and is currently U.S. military... but no such evidence exists for Declassified. |
05-17-2021, 04:59 PM | #39 |
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Dude, in my post I literally said the Fun Pub Club stuff don't count. They were done by a separate third party company and just given approval by Hasbro. They had no connection to the 4" modern line. Also the 50th line saying "A Real American Hero" doesn't mean that they are a subdivision of the US military, it just means they are Americans (which I already covered in my original post). Also, the Star logo on most 50th products is a new GI Joe logo and is used on Classified as well, its not a US symbol.
There are also several military symbols included among the vehicle decals that express which nation or army it belongs to. The aircraft have a similar military marking on the wings. It's possible, I suppose, that some people don't know what these symbols even mean, but I assure you that they are military markings for United States. They do not mean that the character has naturalized as a US citizen, but instead mean that the vehicle is a part of the U.S. military armed forces.
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There are also several military symbols included among the vehicle decals that express which nation or army it belongs to. The aircraft have a similar military marking on the wings. It's possible, I suppose, that some people don't know what these symbols even mean, but I assure you that they are military markings for United States. They do not mean that the character has naturalized as a US citizen, but instead mean that the vehicle is a part of the U.S. military armed forces.
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