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09-28-2020, 10:29 AM | #11 |
Crimson Nerd
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I think the bot problem may be a little overrated, particularly compared to people who buy the figures in stores and then immediately put them on eBay. I think the real issue is that only a few hundred figures are put up for preorder. If they put up the same 2,000+ figures that Pulse and others do, then I imagine the experience would be largely the same.
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09-28-2020, 11:04 AM | #12 |
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We don't actually know if they're manufacturing to meet demand or not. "Meeting demand" does NOT equal "I can find these on the pegs at any time" or "I never have to buy from a reseller."
Meeting demand means they produced enough that everyone that wants one can get one. The issue here is that there's a "middleman" in the reseller market that buys them at retail and marks them up for resale. You have to include all of those available on EBay or wherever when you're calculating whether enough product was made to meet demand. Whether you're willing to pay the reseller markup or not is irrelevant to that calculation. If say, 100K people want the Baroness w/ COIL and 100K were manufactured, demand was met regardless of whether resellers snapped up 95K of them or not. Because otherwise you're saying Hasbro should produce enough that resellers get tapped out buying them all up and then there's still plenty left over on shelves. Which basically means pegwarmers, and would kill the line with a quickness when the resellers returned all the ones they snapped up. And I think it is funny that people think having toys actually making it to the pegs is going to kill the line. That is laughable. I get that no store wants to be stuck with a ton of leftover stock that has to go to clearance but having toys on the shelves (or products of any kind) is crucial to the survival of any product. Beer companies compete for shelf space. Somehow GI JOE fans think that having figures on the pegs means death for the brand. |
09-28-2020, 12:05 PM | #13 |
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I think we all agree that Target's Classified stock has sucked (Cobra Island mostly) by why? They use the same 2 per customer limits that Walmart and Pulse are using but they're selling out in seconds and never coming back seemingly. Pulse and Walmart not only sell out considerably slower but they almost always come back in stock. Deluxe Cobra Commander is already back on Pulse and Walmart Retro are still in stock right now minus Scarlett that must have just sold out today. Is Target doing something wrong or are they getting short-changed on products?
1. Not waiting outside for them to open 2. Not racing other people to the toy aisle 3. Not spending countless hours driving around 4. Nearly all of what I found was from random encounters of going to Target and either seeing them on the shelf or asking them. |
09-28-2020, 12:08 PM | #14 |
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I actually have no idea what Hasbro's incentive is for handing Target these exclusives. It is clear Target doesn't order enough to meet demand. Hasbro could be making so much more money selling these figures via other avenues.
Want specifics? Until today, I have been checking Popfindr and Target's website (just to be safe) for Baroness stock ever since the original street date. I live in the Grand Rapids, MI area. Of all the stores within 50 miles of me, there were only a grand total of SIX Baroness figures that made it to the stores. 54th St and Clyde Park - 2 in one shipment then 1 in another. 44th St (River Town) - 2 in one shipment. I forget which other store it was but there was another shipment of 1 at some point. I finally gave in yesterday and paid $100 for one on EBay because I know the price is just going to go back up again now that it is clear they won't make the Cobra Island figures available by other means. At least now I don't have to check Target stock twice per day every day. Ha. Target doesn't order enough of these figures to meet demand. Not even close. There are never figures on the pegs except the occasional Roadblock. There might be some places around the country where people had an easier time finding these figures but it sure wasn't here in West Michigan. Popfindr is not accurate. So while they may have showed that 6 hit, I am willing to bet it was a lot more. on numerous occasions I walked in and found Troopers and Baroness. A quick look up on Popfindr for kicks and giggles showed zero in stock. |
09-28-2020, 12:12 PM | #15 |
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I came to this conclusion based on eBay. Not that many preorders from scalpers popped up after the first debacle with Cobra Island. But the quantity of sales on eBay exploded after they hit stores.
It's also how they sell out so fast. And not just Cobra Island. Things that stayed in stock for a while on Amazon and Walmart were gone in seconds on Target, too. In addition, there are several dbags on Facebook that have posted their orders via the use of bots. It is a problem and one that is easily solved via the use of captcha's that Target's website currently doesnt employ. |
09-28-2020, 12:15 PM | #16 |
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Finally, keep in mind that both manufacturing and distribution are still royally screwed up due to Covid. This 100% played into effect what happened with the first wave.
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09-28-2020, 12:22 PM | #17 |
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No, we don't agree. I had no problem at all finding the series in stock multiple times and I did it:
1. Not waiting outside for them to open 2. Not racing other people to the toy aisle 3. Not spending countless hours driving around 4. Nearly all of what I found was from random encounters of going to Target and either seeing them on the shelf or asking them. |
09-28-2020, 12:38 PM | #18 |
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09-28-2020, 01:25 PM | #19 |
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No, we don't agree. I had no problem at all finding the series in stock multiple times and I did it:
1. Not waiting outside for them to open 2. Not racing other people to the toy aisle 3. Not spending countless hours driving around 4. Nearly all of what I found was from random encounters of going to Target and either seeing them on the shelf or asking them. |
09-28-2020, 02:55 PM | #20 |
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No, we don't agree. I had no problem at all finding the series in stock multiple times and I did it:
1. Not waiting outside for them to open 2. Not racing other people to the toy aisle 3. Not spending countless hours driving around 4. Nearly all of what I found was from random encounters of going to Target and either seeing them on the shelf or asking them. Quote:
I didnt think it was a problem either and was some mythical creature made up by the collector boogey man UNTIL I saw NECA's response to the problem with an announcement following the first Target debacle in August.
In addition, there are several dbags on Facebook that have posted their orders via the use of bots. It is a problem and one that is easily solved via the use of captcha's that Target's website currently doesnt employ. Like the other guy said, you're definitely the not the norm with the Cobra Island series. You finding these with ease is clearly a product of the fact you travel for work.
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