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11-14-2012, 12:11 PM | #101 |
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Why? was it more expensive at the con?
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11-14-2012, 12:12 PM | #102 |
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Okay, first off, yes I'm an asshole. Yhat said, it is a really bad precedent. If they do it with this set, then apparently they need to ramp up production on all the past con items because a vocal few didn't get their way. I bought my set at the con. I spent my money to travel and support the convention. The people that bitched and moaned that they didn't get these that travelled to New Orleans and had to take substitute sets have an argument. Those yhat had a legitimate reason not to make the con, military service, medical , emergency have an argument. Those that want to sit at home and slam Fun Pub over not sending these sets to their living room, sorry, no right to bitch. Too many people feel too entitled. I want something, I pay for it or I go without. I don't go to SDCC every year, but I get the exclusives. I'm not buying plane tickets, hotel, rental car, etc. If I pay 2x MSRP, I'm still coming out ahead. It's the same with JoeCon. I love my con sets, but I'm spending money to support the Convention honestly.
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"Oh Noes, a few hundred more people will pay a lot of money to own some figures I paid a lot of money to own too! And yet they'll still be among the rarest G.I. Joe figures out there in terms of overall production numbers!"
Oh the humanity! Gimme a freakin' break. If you're begrudging people the opportunity to own something they will enjoy just because you made the choice to go to the convention and paid the same price these people will now be paying (for the set itself), you're an asshole. Full stop. Because nobody that's not an asshole would get upset that someone else might own and enjoy the same little plastic men they do for the same price they paid. |
11-14-2012, 12:17 PM | #103 |
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However, I still think it sets a bad precedent. If they tell you it's going to be 600 units, it should be. Otherwise, don't bother with the numbers. But you know they'll continue doing that, because it helps drive the demand... the problem I have with this is the potential for false advertising. They may have INTENDED to keep numbers as they were for the last con set, and now they've just changed their mind. Okay, so maybe that's not QUITE lying, if they didn't intend this to be the case originally. I can accept that. But now, any numbers they throw at us will be viewed with a grain of salt. Knowing that second runs and what not are now an option, is that false advertising? That's the real problem I have here. I'm all for people getting the figures they want, but like I said before, missing out is part of the game. We should all be used to paying aftermarket prices from time to time. I know I have...
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11-14-2012, 12:19 PM | #104 |
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Meh, this whole discussion is unnecessary, really. We are talking about GI Joes, after all.
I still think it sets a bad precedent. If they tell you it's going to be 600 units, it should be. Otherwise, don't bother with the numbers. But you know they'll continue doing that, because it helps drive the demand... the problem I have with this is the potential for false advertising. They may have INTENDED to keep numbers as they were for the last con set, and now they've just changed their mind. Okay, so maybe that's not QUITE lying, if they didn't intend this to be the case originally. I can accept that. But now, any numbers they throw at us will be viewed with a grain of salt. Know that second runs and what not are now an option, is that false advertising? That's the real problem I have here. I'm all for people getting the figures they want, but like I said before, missing out is part of the game. We should all be used to paying aftermarket prices from time to time. I know I have... I end up paying $ 20 each more or less. |
11-14-2012, 12:21 PM | #105 |
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What is making some folks mad is how this undercuts the secondary/tertiary markets for these sets. There were a lot of folks who took loses this year when buying extras that just have not sold. With the helicopter and truck, the problems tend to be price and value. But with the sets, plenty of people held off with hopes that the club would come through. And now they have.
... As someone said, SDCC is a limited run ... yet the people who complain about them being put on HTS are ones who had to wait in line at SDCC. There are plenty - PLENTY - of incentive figures and sets available at the Con that folks can have or sell off to pay for their trips so I'm not sure why they are begrudging folks the "free" set. Just a reminder, these boxed sets for non-goers essentially pay for the con each year. So, perhaps a better way to look at the additional run is that it will mean a better con next year, with the possibility of more new tooling on figures. -no kidding. This board is a fine example, although it's better than when I first found it. You wanna know why more folks aren't into GI Joe? ...because quite a few of them get turned off by the collectors who treat the brand as their own personal property and view anyone 'new' to "formal collecting" as somehow "lesser" and justifiably subject to a quite a bit of condescension and abuse. This "inner circle" mentality will ultimately kill any interest in GI Joe unless Hasbro/Paramount somehow turns out a blockbuster movie, which doesn't look likely. When most of us were kids, we liked Joe for many reasons, but the biggest was that all of us were at least presented with an opportunity to obtain the toys and when we did, we loved them. Putting more toys into the hands of more collectors is a GOOD thing, maybe not for eBay resellers, but seriously, the argument that by reselling con exclusive sets at extravagant markup, attendees are somehow "sharing" the hobby, is ludicrous. |
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11-14-2012, 12:23 PM | #106 |
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I won't complain about it either. The seller or trader gets what they want, i get what I want, everyone involved is happy, and we're all friends.
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11-14-2012, 12:24 PM | #107 |
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Okay, first off, yes I'm an asshole. Yhat said, it is a really bad precedent. If they do it with this set, then apparently they need to ramp up production on all the past con items because a vocal few didn't get their way. I bought my set at the con. I spent my money to travel and support the convention. The people that bitched and moaned that they didn't get these that travelled to New Orleans and had to take substitute sets have an argument. Those yhat had a legitimate reason not to make the con, military service, medical , emergency have an argument. Those that want to sit at home and slam Fun Pub over not sending these sets to their living room, sorry, no right to bitch. Too many people feel too entitled. I want something, I pay for it or I go without. I don't go to SDCC every year, but I get the exclusives. I'm not buying plane tickets, hotel, rental car, etc. If I pay 2x MSRP, I'm still coming out ahead. It's the same with JoeCon. I love my con sets, but I'm spending money to support the Convention honestly.
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11-14-2012, 12:25 PM | #108 |
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That was a bunch of people putting their sets together. one guy had several sets, but it wasn't one person's stash.
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11-14-2012, 12:25 PM | #109 |
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Wow... this is such a bad, shortsighted thing for the club to do. As some have already said, it sets a terrible precedent. "You know that Rowdy Roddy Piper figure we did a few years back? That goes for money now. Lets re-issue it. Lets just completely flush our integrity down the toilet for short-term financial gain, and take away anything special about the figure. If this second run sells well, we can do ten more runs." If they wanted to do some re-paints of the figures from this set, or maybe re-issue some of the characters on blister cards, that would be different. But just outright re-issuing what was supposed to be a SET PRODUCTION NUMBER, limited-edition item shows a lack of integrity and a love of money (in a very short-term way, because this move WILL hurt the future sales of exclusives). Game over. I'm not goign to get too riled up about getting future Con exclusives, since apparently, they can just mass-produce them again later if they want.
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11-14-2012, 12:26 PM | #110 |
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I;m kind of pissed since I paid twice the price for the set because it sold out instantaneously. So I had to hit ebay and the prices went to $800 only to drop to $500 once the convention happened. But a 2nd run is unprecedented for the Joe Club.
In the end the real question is what made this set more popular than any other previous set? As a club member for many years I have always bought the homefront package, and have never had a problem buying them up to a month after they announce they are taking orders. This set sold out in 4 hours!? So I assume more than anything there are club members that didn't get to buy theirs. I don't care about them being exclusive. There were probably more club members this year than ever before. Most join for a chance to buy the exclusives at a slight discount. I think every club member should get one who wants one, and the club should make money. I pay to be a member even if I don't attend the conventions I know most of us are in our 30s, and even if we have great jobs and a crap ton of money, buying 4 sets so they can be exclusive and hold their value in 10 years so that 4 other CLUB members don't get a set is a raw deal, and is not the clubs fault. But it's not the scalpers/convention goers fault either. They just didn't make enough for everyone.
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