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04-22-2008, 06:34 PM | #491 |
yeah......
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this is the song that never ends yes it goes on and on my friends........
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04-22-2008, 06:37 PM | #492 |
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I'm not your buddy! Guy!
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04-22-2008, 07:44 PM | #493 |
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It ain't worth fightin', CIAD. The movie might come out, be awesome, garner positive reviews, make $400 million, spawn lines of awesome toys, and people will still whine, bitch and cry because Ripcord was African-American/Duke wore black/Cobra Commander wasn't the same spastic lunatic from their precious cartoon/etc etc. They will complain that it "could've made $500 milion if they'd done it right," they'll say that "it wasn't G.I. Joe," and they will continue to insist that their own personal vision of G.I. Joe is the correct one, regardless of the fact that no one appointed them "King of Fandom." It is a position and a habit that demonstrates a decided lack of critical thinking skills (which is not the same as criticism) and an insistence on the primacy of their own tastes and values as being consistent with what any right thinking person must assuredly believe. You're wasting your breath trying to talk to them, as I'm wasting my breath saying anything about it. You simply cannot reach someone who has decided, in whatever capacity, that they are completely correct without possibility of improvement, moderation, or adjustment to their views.
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04-22-2008, 08:28 PM | #494 |
Banned
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You better get used to it. We Star Wars fans have been suffering the angry and the bitter since the Special Editions, and that was 11 years ago! If the Prequels taught me anything, it's that you can't please any of the people any of the time. No one can compete with the world designed inside some fan boyz' head. I don't think even Larry Hama could make them happy if he was given an unlimited budget, excellent actors, the best SFX money could buy and complete free reign to do whatever he wanted.
Just ask George Lucas. Just like Paul Mcartney is never gonna be on an album as good as Sgt. Peppers again. Could it be the that mighty George Lucas lost his touch? Or is that the fanboy's fault too? |
04-22-2008, 09:57 PM | #495 |
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It ain't worth fightin', CIAD. The movie might come out, be awesome, garner positive reviews, make $400 million, spawn lines of awesome toys, and people will still whine, bitch and cry because Ripcord was African-American/Duke wore black/Cobra Commander wasn't the same spastic lunatic from their precious cartoon/etc etc. They will complain that it "could've made $500 milion if they'd done it right," they'll say that "it wasn't G.I. Joe," and they will continue to insist that their own personal vision of G.I. Joe is the correct one, regardless of the fact that no one appointed them "King of Fandom." It is a position and a habit that demonstrates a decided lack of critical thinking skills (which is not the same as criticism) and an insistence on the primacy of their own tastes and values as being consistent with what any right thinking person must assuredly believe. You're wasting your breath trying to talk to them, as I'm wasting my breath saying anything about it. You simply cannot reach someone who has decided, in whatever capacity, that they are completely correct without possibility of improvement, moderation, or adjustment to their views.
It's the story of a bright-eyed young man whose fondest wish was to see his favorite toy/comic/cartoon from the nineteen hundred and eighties brought to life in a big screen spectacle film. Ever since he was a boy, that young man spent hours dreaming of how such a film would play out. What types of special effects would be used? What would the characters look like? Would they bring in the original voice actors to perform the star characters? Almost two decades passed and the young man kept his ear to the rail, waiting for any tidbit of news regarding the movie rights to these favored action characters. Several times there were reports of various producers showing interest or screenwriters submitting screenplays. Then one day, his dream came true. Steven Spielberg, the guy who used to be king-high mucky-muck of all sci-fi announced that he would be producing the movie about the young man's treasured characters. Steven said that he was a big fan and that he always had been ever since the inception of this intellectual property. It seemed that the planets would align and that thee would be peace on Earth. Then the rumors started. "They're not going to speak." "Why use Bumblebee and not HotShot?" (YES, 'Shot'. As in Armada.) "Camaro!' "Soulless director!" A marker drawing of something resembling a modern art sculpture of a hybrid vulture/gorilla made of F-22 parts surfaced on the indurnaytz. Still, strong in his faith, this young man blindly defended the film. "They can't screw it up THAT badly. It's going to remain true to the spirit! That horrible design won't be used. The designers don't smoke crack! You haven't seen it yet! Just a couple of grainy drawings and a bunch of rumors!" Then our young hero got his hands on a copy of the script. "It's fake! Things will be changed! There's no way they'll be that completely off the mark!" Until one day, the images surfaced. One by one, he saw his favorite characters redesigned from the ground up. I'm not going to go into detail about the reactions, but imagine if a new Star Trek movie were announced, and the model of the Enterprise was leaked and it resembled a giant X-Wing glued to an aircraft carrier. With flames painted on it. Data was now C3po with "attitude" and Worf was the alien from Independence Day. That's kinda what it felt like. The fans on the internet split like the Red Sea and instead of acting like people, they became forces of nature. On one side, there were those who were so full of hate and "vitriol" (which means eye-gore) that every word they typed was dripping with sarcasm and negativity and the word "shit" was used the way McDonald's uses grease. Nothing would appease them. On the other side, there were those who defended every aspect of the upcoming film, explaining that it was no longer the eighties and that today's children have no idea what a tape player is, the Hollywood types know how to make millions of dollars, and voicing opinions that weren't overwhelmingly positive was childish. The fact is, both groups were devolving into chimps. And, in the middle of all of this, was our now not-so-young hero, fighting desperately to make his strong opinions known, attempting to take a moderate approach and being as polite as possible without actually putting his lips on anyone's buttocks. The lovers made Hollywood very happy, because they would offer nothing but positive reinforcement to any decision they made, no matter how far it strayed from the original concept. The haters made Hollywood very UNhappy, uncomfortable, frustruated and nervous. But through it all, both of these camps were heard. Ideas and suggestions were largely overlooked. However, from the painful din of the incessant complaints of the generally incoherent haters, a genuine set of patterns emerged. These patterns resounded, eventually becoming a clarion call for change. High up in several stategically placed towers, towers SO high that the noise of a hundred-thousands shrieking fanboys couldn't reach, lived the most terrifying and influential society in all the world. A society SO powerful, both the Hollywood machine AND the corporate offices are powerless to defy them. The accountants. Armed with their charts, graphs and up to the minute trend reports, the accountants handed down decrees like Zeus tossing bolts of lightning from on high. And despite their distance, despite their all-encompassing power, the patterns that formed in the steam of the rancid complaints of the indefatigable haters wafted up to these mighty decision-makers, and gave them pause. Confounded by what they saw, astounded by the dawning realization that their figures and facts might somehow be less than representative of their entire target, the accountants, fearing for their invulnerability, reached into their chest of treasures, and dropped several pearls, which trickled down into the finished film. While these pearls did not completely change the course of cinematic history, they DID allow for minor changes to be made in order to placate the impending horde and the publicity that they created. And, when the film finally made it to theaters, it surprised eveyone involved by proving (through it's maketing machine and the constant feedback povided) that BOTH the trend watchers AND the stalwart fanboys were right. The movie itself largely displeased many fans, but there's no denying the power of the average moviegoer. By his very definition, the average moviegoer is astoundingly average, and thus predictable and pliant. However, the evidence left in the film's wake suggested that with a few more concessions (and I'm not talking about sno-caps) the sequel could please even MORE people, INCLUDING those who ae sworn to hate it on principal. And that polite young man? He learned several harsh lessons. Nice guys finish last. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and a bird in the hand becomes a wild cyber-turkey with metal feathers and exposed joints when sent to Hollywood. I understand that people get annoyed by others offering negative opinions. I also don't care. This is the internet. There are no cyber-police here. Only thought police. A thousand screaming fanboys might sound like shrieking valkyries and smell like warmed over garbage, but like it or not, in the absence of a popular board that is unencumbered by the need to advertise, they are the single most powerful force for change and for divining actual fan opinions. Telling them to shut up is not only futile. It's self-defeating. Perhaps they will only be able to change one character's mask or a couple of lines of dialogue, or some simple and inconsequential story point. To me, if that's the difference between "The Commander" looking like Cyber-Skeletor and looking like Cobra Commander, it's well worth the price. Yes, you guys have a clear picture of how immature and reactionary the fans are. Yes, it's a sad and terrifying thing to behold. Yes, it's a lot of bullshit for little reward. But they're the only ones with a snowball's chance of making a difference. I don't claim to speak for the fandom at large, but all trying to silence the vocal or angry fans does is make more noise and hurt ALL our chances at seeing something that I would bet my SOUL the overwhelming majority of fans would prefer. Oderint Dum Metuant.
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04-22-2008, 11:18 PM | #496 |
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hey does anybody have the pics...maybe you can pm them to me...if you can.
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04-22-2008, 11:58 PM | #497 |
Cobra Soldier
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I'm going to tell you a story.
It's the story of a bright-eyed young man whose fondest wish was to see his favorite toy/comic/cartoon from the nineteen hundred and eighties brought to life in a big screen spectacle film. Ever since he was a boy, that young man spent hours dreaming of how such a film would play out. What types of special effects would be used? What would the characters look like? Would they bring in the original voice actors to perform the star characters? Almost two decades passed and the young man kept his ear to the rail, waiting for any tidbit of news regarding the movie rights to these favored action characters. Several times there were reports of various producers showing interest or screenwriters submitting screenplays. Then one day, his dream came true. Steven Spielberg, the guy who used to be king-high mucky-muck of all sci-fi announced that he would be producing the movie about the young man's treasured characters. Steven said that he was a big fan and that he always had been ever since the inception of this intellectual property. It seemed that the planets would align and that thee would be peace on Earth. Then the rumors started. "They're not going to speak." "Why use Bumblebee and not HotShot?" (YES, 'Shot'. As in Armada.) "Camaro!' "Soulless director!" A marker drawing of something resembling a modern art sculpture of a hybrid vulture/gorilla made of F-22 parts surfaced on the indurnaytz. Still, strong in his faith, this young man blindly defended the film. "They can't screw it up THAT badly. It's going to remain true to the spirit! That horrible design won't be used. The designers don't smoke crack! You haven't seen it yet! Just a couple of grainy drawings and a bunch of rumors!" Then our young hero got his hands on a copy of the script. "It's fake! Things will be changed! There's no way they'll be that completely off the mark!" Until one day, the images surfaced. One by one, he saw his favorite characters redesigned from the ground up. I'm not going to go into detail about the reactions, but imagine if a new Star Trek movie were announced, and the model of the Enterprise was leaked and it resembled a giant X-Wing glued to an aircraft carrier. With flames painted on it. Data was now C3po with "attitude" and Worf was the alien from Independence Day. That's kinda what it felt like. The fans on the internet split like the Red Sea and instead of acting like people, they became forces of nature. On one side, there were those who were so full of hate and "vitriol" (which means eye-gore) that every word they typed was dripping with sarcasm and negativity and the word "shit" was used the way McDonald's uses grease. Nothing would appease them. On the other side, there were those who defended every aspect of the upcoming film, explaining that it was no longer the eighties and that today's children have no idea what a tape player is, the Hollywood types know how to make millions of dollars, and voicing opinions that weren't overwhelmingly positive was childish. The fact is, both groups were devolving into chimps. And, in the middle of all of this, was our now not-so-young hero, fighting desperately to make his strong opinions known, attempting to take a moderate approach and being as polite as possible without actually putting his lips on anyone's buttocks. The lovers made Hollywood very happy, because they would offer nothing but positive reinforcement to any decision they made, no matter how far it strayed from the original concept. The haters made Hollywood very UNhappy, uncomfortable, frustruated and nervous. But through it all, both of these camps were heard. Ideas and suggestions were largely overlooked. However, from the painful din of the incessant complaints of the generally incoherent haters, a genuine set of patterns emerged. These patterns resounded, eventually becoming a clarion call for change. High up in several stategically placed towers, towers SO high that the noise of a hundred-thousands shrieking fanboys couldn't reach, lived the most terrifying and influential society in all the world. A society SO powerful, both the Hollywood machine AND the corporate offices are powerless to defy them. The accountants. Armed with their charts, graphs and up to the minute trend reports, the accountants handed down decrees like Zeus tossing bolts of lightning from on high. And despite their distance, despite their all-encompassing power, the patterns that formed in the steam of the rancid complaints of the indefatigable haters wafted up to these mighty decision-makers, and gave them pause. Confounded by what they saw, astounded by the dawning realization that their figures and facts might somehow be less than representative of their entire target, the accountants, fearing for their invulnerability, reached into their chest of treasures, and dropped several pearls, which trickled down into the finished film. While these pearls did not completely change the course of cinematic history, they DID allow for minor changes to be made in order to placate the impending horde and the publicity that they created. And, when the film finally made it to theaters, it surprised eveyone involved by proving (through it's maketing machine and the constant feedback povided) that BOTH the trend watchers AND the stalwart fanboys were right. The movie itself largely displeased many fans, but there's no denying the power of the average moviegoer. By his very definition, the average moviegoer is astoundingly average, and thus predictable and pliant. However, the evidence left in the film's wake suggested that with a few more concessions (and I'm not talking about sno-caps) the sequel could please even MORE people, INCLUDING those who ae sworn to hate it on principal. And that polite young man? He learned several harsh lessons. Nice guys finish last. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and a bird in the hand becomes a wild cyber-turkey with metal feathers and exposed joints when sent to Hollywood. I understand that people get annoyed by others offering negative opinions. I also don't care. This is the internet. There are no cyber-police here. Only thought police. A thousand screaming fanboys might sound like shrieking valkyries and smell like warmed over garbage, but like it or not, in the absence of a popular board that is unencumbered by the need to advertise, they are the single most powerful force for change and for divining actual fan opinions. Telling them to shut up is not only futile. It's self-defeating. Perhaps they will only be able to change one character's mask or a couple of lines of dialogue, or some simple and inconsequential story point. To me, if that's the difference between "The Commander" looking like Cyber-Skeletor and looking like Cobra Commander, it's well worth the price. Yes, you guys have a clear picture of how immature and reactionary the fans are. Yes, it's a sad and terrifying thing to behold. Yes, it's a lot of bullshit for little reward. But they're the only ones with a snowball's chance of making a difference. I don't claim to speak for the fandom at large, but all trying to silence the vocal or angry fans does is make more noise and hurt ALL our chances at seeing something that I would bet my SOUL the overwhelming majority of fans would prefer. Oderint Dum Metuant. Maybe they're trying to upset a bunch of people with bogus crappy images so that they can go back and say, "we hear you and we think you're right! We're here for you!" and then they'll leak out the REAL images which will still piss people off, but won't be as bad and they can then say that the fans DO make a difference. Two birds with one stone! Doesn't everyone love conspiracy theories? |
04-23-2008, 01:49 AM | #498 |
Cobra Viper
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia
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If you look at the Marvel Comic's Spiderman, Iron Man, The incredible Hulk, The Fantastic Four, ghost rider and DC's Superman, they were Comics and brought to the big screan with the correct costumes that the superhero's wore.
The Joes should be wearing the exact comic and cartoon outifts, and the Joes and Cobras from 82 and 83 should be in the first film, like Hawk shouldnt be General yet, but the one in Command of G.I.JOE plus I think this movie and transformers will be re-made one day. I hope I somehow do it, cause I would make the transformers exactly like the comics and cartoons story. |
04-23-2008, 02:05 AM | #499 |
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And the angry fans reaped their rewards in the form of Megatron not having a vagina mouth and all was well, right?
Maybe they're trying to upset a bunch of people with bogus crappy images so that they can go back and say, "we hear you and we think you're right! We're here for you!" and then they'll leak out the REAL images which will still piss people off, but won't be as bad and they can then say that the fans DO make a difference. Two birds with one stone! Doesn't everyone love conspiracy theories?
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04-23-2008, 02:08 AM | #500 |
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If you look at the Marvel Comic's Spiderman, Iron Man, The incredible Hulk, The Fantastic Four, ghost rider and DC's Superman, they were Comics and brought to the big screan with the correct costumes that the superhero's wore.
The Joes should be wearing the exact comic and cartoon outifts, and the Joes and Cobras from 82 and 83 should be in the first film, like Hawk shouldnt be General yet, but the one in Command of G.I.JOE plus I think this movie and transformers will be re-made one day. I hope I somehow do it, cause I would make the transformers exactly like the comics and cartoons story. Hollywood thinks WE'RE the clueless ones, and a whole bunch of "fans" agree, presumably to be on the winning side. Nothing is lost by speaking our minds. True, a number of people can't seem to make an argument without being vulgar or generally nasty, but I see that every day when I leave the house. The internet is no place to hide from real people.
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