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04-20-2024, 10:54 PM | #371 |
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04-20-2024, 11:08 PM | #372 |
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In the first 2 films, Cobra is very prominent, it?s just that Cobra Commander isn?t.
Honestly, Cobra is probably the most efficient it?s ever been in the first 2 movies considering they basically took out a chunk of Paris, obliterated London, took over the us government, and managed to destroy almost all the nuclear weapons in the planet. Quote:
That's how you perceived it. To AWOL's point, there was nothing really prominent in the movies. That goes to show Di Bonaventura's distaste (better word for it than "ashamed") for Cobra. He essentially turned them into generic villains completely devoid of anything resembling Cobra. I get that CC gets his mask in Retaliation, but one has to wonder how much of that was due to public backlash over the Mindbender-esque abomination.
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04-21-2024, 01:13 AM | #373 |
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04-21-2024, 01:20 AM | #374 |
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Oh man, even the Bay movies are ridiculous and would give a headache trying to piece together their continuity. Megatron's plan in the first trilogy is to find the allspark which crash landed on earth knowing it was dead but planned to charge it up with the sun and kill the native population which he double planned to use them as slaves to bring Cybertron to Earth which Sentinel knew about but the Fallen couldn't have because he just wanted the planet destroyed. I have a headache just writing that. Then you got the stuff like Bee's voice being fixed in the first movie, yet they keep forgetting that.
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And the main villain was Destro and MARS. It wasn't until the last few seconds that we saw an off-brand version of CC, as well as the Cobra Logo.
CC looked great, but there weren't that many scenes with him. SS looked good and was featured prominently, though I could care less for the ninja crap. And yes, the Cobra banners looked cool, but again, we barely saw the logo outside of that scene. I only recall that blink-and-you-'ll-miss-it hologram version of the logo. We heard a lot about Cobra, but all we saw was a scrawny version of the Baroness. And that speaks volumes about the lack of respect for both properties in these movies. Quote:
Transformers got things right twice. The first movie and Bumblebee.
I think the other films could?ve been more lore accurate and better but I do think Revenge of the Fallen and Dark of the Moon at least connected with audiences and met their expectations for large cgi/action films at the time. 4 is really we?re they should?ve fixed things (though it is a guilty pleasure for me) and five was a really poor attempting at world building in an already broken universe. Joe?s a bit harder to say they got stuff right but I do think Retaliation was a very decent attempt. Quote:
That's how you perceived it. To AWOL's point, there was nothing really prominent in the movies. That goes to show Di Bonaventura's distaste (better word for it than "ashamed") for Cobra. He essentially turned them into generic villains completely devoid of anything resembling Cobra. I get that CC gets his mask in Retaliation, but one has to wonder how much of that was due to public backlash over the Mindbender-esque abomination.
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04-21-2024, 01:22 AM | #375 |
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Which is a totally fine market for Transformers to target with media.
Rescue Bots had a ton of success as a property. It was the longest running transformers cartoon and got to releases for like a decade. It?s why I really liked that GI Joe: Adventure Team pitch that was shown off. As a younger poster on here. Rescue Heroes basically filled the role that GI Joe would have and I think there is something to embracing some of the non-military sides of the franchise.
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04-21-2024, 02:03 AM | #376 |
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Which is a totally fine market for Transformers to target with media.
Rescue Bots had a ton of success as a property. It was the longest running transformers cartoon and got to releases for like a decade. It?s why I really liked that GI Joe: Adventure Team pitch that was shown off. As a younger poster on here. Rescue Heroes basically filled the role that GI Joe would have and I think there is something to embracing some of the non-military sides of the franchise. |
04-21-2024, 06:18 AM | #377 |
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I still don't understand why they paid extra money to bring in Hugo Weaving to voice Megatron in the first few Transformers films, instead of just letting Frank Welker do it. I wanted to hear THAT voice coming out of Megatron... not bloody Elrond. And it's not like they needed Hugo Weaving's "star power" to sell a TRANSFORMERS movie!
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04-21-2024, 09:11 AM | #378 |
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yeah very bad sign!
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In the first 2 films, Cobra is very prominent, it?s just that Cobra Commander isn?t.
Honestly, Cobra is probably the most efficient it?s ever been in the first 2 movies considering they basically took out a chunk of Paris, obliterated London, took over the us government, and managed to destroy almost all the nuclear weapons in the planet. All the Joes did was fail spectacularly.
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04-21-2024, 09:52 AM | #379 |
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It's also on an arms crate in the Larry Hama cameo scene. It's also on some buttons the men who ambushed Scarlett wore. Which were the same COBRA buttons Zandar and the Secret Service wore in Retaliation. Also, the Baroness had the logo on her belt in the movie. It's clearer on her toy. As for Retaliation, the logo is featured on the uniforms of the Cobra Soldiers. I think the Cobra logo is featured as often in the GI Joe movies as the HYDRA logo was featured in the Captain America movies.
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Are these Lorenzo's decisions or are these the decisions of the directors and writers (Stephen Sommers, John M. Chu, and Robert Schwentke) working on the movies? I've always got the impression that he just hires directors and writers who suck at their jobs to work on these movies and doesn't care how the final product turns out. Hence why we had five terrible Transformers movies before we finally got a good one because he kept hiring Michael Bay and writers like Alex Kurtzman to make these movies. Until by some miracle, he found competent directors like Travis Knight and Steven Caple Jr. for Transformers. I think the same is true for GI Joe where he just finds terrible directors and writers on these movies, lets them do what they want and the final products are trash. His whole reasoning for picking Schwentke to direct Snake Eyes was because Schwentke directed Red, a movie Lorenzo produced.
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04-21-2024, 10:57 AM | #380 |
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While the term Cobra or the Cobra symbol was not used much in the first 2 films they certainly got their money worth with the word classified. Just did a rough count and it was said 21x going into the polar ice cap battle.
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