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View Poll Results: What Vehicle Will The G.I. Joe Classified HasLab Include? | |||
H.I.S.S. Tank | 161 | 80.50% | |
M.O.B.A.T. | 8 | 4.00% | |
Mauler | 16 | 8.00% | |
Triple T | 15 | 7.50% | |
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07-06-2022, 10:03 AM | #2751 |
Iron Grenadier
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Not a SW collector, but do we think the failure is (among many other factors) that there's just so much product that consumers are some combo of financially tapped out and/or fully sated consumers?
There's perhaps a small cultural element of SW fandom at play here w/r/t Reva, but optimistically I'd like to think that's a very small minority of overall fans. Even then, it feels hard to compare to the Rancor b/c (IIRC), the Rancor came within a few dozen/hundred or two of fully funding. It was super close until the last minute - the lesson was that Hasbro's funding lines are indeed firm, and 7,999 of 8,000 needed isn't gonna cut it. But still, there's so much Star Wars stuff that are consumers just full, and more and more esoteric products aren't succeeding? This doesn't strike me as a "Joe team gets it, SW team doesn't" simplistic explanation, but "this is a deep dive product on a show that barely had time to hit before the product launched, is expensive, and duplicative of the many other lightsabers consumers already have." Substitute the HISS Tank with, say, the Cobra Mamba Classified - and most of us here will say "hot dang, that sounds AMAZING!" (but probably not the "hot dang" part). But is it known enough to consumers more broadly, and at a perhaps $400+ pricepoint, that it too wouldn't end up like Reva's lightsaber? |
07-06-2022, 10:13 AM | #2752 |
Crimson Nerd
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Reva's Lightsaber has a lot of things going against it and a few going for it (obviously not enough to counter the "cons.")
Cons: 1. It launched when you could generously say the character it's attached to had all of one episode of screen time. There is no attachment from the fandom to this particular character like say, Ahsoka (or Obi-Wan himself). Given that the reception of the character has been decidedly mixed, it's a gamble that didn't quite pay off. (Personally I would've gone for an FX-Elite version of Cal Kestis' Saber from Fallen Order, with interchangeable parts to make it dual-blade, single-blade "damaged" or single-blade "repaired" but that's just me) 2. It's big. Single-blade lightsabers are already mildly inconvenient to store and/or display. This thing is twice that. Also in my personal opinion the Inquisitor sabers are...kinda dumb looking in their effort to be "different yet cool," but that's just me editorializing and may or may not factor into the imminent failure of that particular HasLab. 3. While certainly adult collectors are the market for the FX Elite Sabers, the "role play" segment is one of the most kid-heavy portions of the Star Wars brand (see: Befuddled adult collectors when Hasbro points out that the Roleplay segment outperforms the Action Figure segment). So while I can see that a "role play" Haslab might have seemed smart on paper, in practice...not as much. Plus there probably isn't THAT large of a market of folks that are buying "absolutely every FX Saber." 4. The high-end lightsaber replica market is pretty saturated between custom-build vendors, Disney Park replicas, and the FX line. There's a lot of competition for "lightsaber enthusiast" dollars. Pros: 1. All the Inquisitor Lightsabers appear to be the same. So there is at least potential for crossover to the Cosplay market (something I think they were banking on after the success of the Proton Pack). They might have been slightly better off marketing it as "Grand Inquisitor's Lightsaber" or "Inquisitor's Lightsaber" but I do agree with some others here that Disneyfilm probably pushed them to promote the new show more overtly, and I'm not sure it'd be doing that much better (if at all) without Reva's name attached to it. 2. It's one they haven't done before and whose size and unique design probably necessitates a HasLab approach to get made. And that's about it. While I do believe there is some validity to concerns about HasLab competing with itself for collector dollars (certainly at this point I'm kinda hoping whatever Marvel Legends pulls out this year isn't something I want), I don't think that's something that's significantly affecting funding levels for most of these. It mostly just boils down to making a product that's appealing enough to a wide enough variety of people. Simple to say, harder to do. Quote:
The Rancor just seemed expensive for what it was. They added a lot of articulation, but at a certain point, I don't really need him to be able to do a handstand, or be able to do the splits. That and its kinda a world building thing, and that's accomplished better with 3 3/4.
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07-06-2022, 10:18 AM | #2753 |
Iron Grenadier
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: kansas
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Reva's Lightsaber has a lot of things going against it and a few going for it (obviously not enough to counter the "cons.")
Cons: 1. It launched when you could generously say the character it's attached to had all of one episode of screen time. There is no attachment from the fandom to this particular character like say, Ahsoka (or Obi-Wan himself). Given that the reception of the character has been decidedly mixed, it's a gamble that didn't quite pay off. 2. It's big. Single-blade lightsabers are already mildly inconvenient to store and/or display. This thing is twice that. Also in my personal opinion the Inquisitor sabers are...kinda dumb looking in their effort to be "different yet cool," but that's just me editorializing and may or may not factor into the imminent failure of that particular HasLab. 3. While certainly adult collectors are the market for the FX Elite Sabers, the "role play" segment is one of the most kid-heavy portions of the Star Wars brand (see: Befuddled adult collectors when Hasbro points out that the Roleplay segment outperforms the Action Figure segment). So while I can see that a "role play" Haslab might have seemed smart on paper, in practice...not as much. Plus there probably isn't THAT large of a market of folks that are buying "absolutely every FX Saber." 4. The high-end lightsaber replica market is pretty saturated between custom-build vendors, Disney Park replicas, and the FX line. There's a lot of competition for "lightsaber enthusiast" dollars. Pros: 1. All the Inquisitor Lightsabers appear to be the same. So there is at least potential for crossover to the Cosplay market (something I think they were banking on after the success of the Proton Pack). They might have been slightly better off marketing it as "Grand Inquisitor's Lightsaber" or "Inquisitor's Lightsaber" but I do agree with some others here that Disneyfilm probably pushed them to promote the new show more overtly, and I'm not sure it'd be doing that much better (if at all) without Reva's name attached to it. 2. It's one they haven't done before and whose size and unique design probably necessitates a HasLab approach to get made. And that's about it. While I do believe there is some validity to concerns about HasLab competing with itself for collector dollars (certainly at this point I'm kinda hoping whatever Marvel Legends pulls out this year isn't something I want), I don't think that's something that's significantly affecting funding levels for most of these. It mostly just boils down to making a product that's appealing enough to a wide enough variety of people. Simple to say, harder to do. |
07-06-2022, 10:26 AM | #2754 |
Iron Grenadier
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Won't happen-not any time soon, anyway. A properly scaled Legends Blackbird (even the X-Men version which is a bit shorter than the real life US military version) would be about eight or nine feet long. Even if they fudged it to six feet, it still doesn't seem particularly doable and would be too big for most collectors to find space for it. Price would be nuts, too. $500 seems like the limit for most people. A Blackbird would definitely be significantly more than that.
I could maybe see them doing a four-foot one for the 3 3/4" retro line, but it would have to surge in popularity first. Last edited by Snake Pants; 07-06-2022 at 10:29 AM.. |
07-06-2022, 10:32 AM | #2755 |
Crimson Guard
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104 till the next unlock.
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07-06-2022, 10:41 AM | #2756 |
Iron Grenadier
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Won't happen-not any time soon, anyway. A properly scaled Legends Blackbird (even the X-Men version which is a bit shorter than the real life US military version) would be about eight or nine feet long. Even if they fudged it to six feet, it still doesn't seem particularly doable and would be too big for most collectors to find space for it. Price would be nuts, too. $500 seems like the limit for most people. A Blackbird would definitely be significantly more than that.
I could maybe see them doing a four-foot one for the 3 3/4" retro line, but it would have to surge in popularity first. |
07-06-2022, 10:45 AM | #2757 |
Rock-Viper
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Location: BC, Canada
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Less than 100 to next unlock.
It's great to see this HasLab doing so well. |
07-06-2022, 10:53 AM | #2758 |
Crimson Nerd
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Location: Virginia
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That would be one I don't want. Because as noted it would probably be too dang big (same for a respectable Avengers Quinjet). If you can't comfortably fit at least 7 or 8 figures in it plus additional features its' not really doing its' job). A Punisher Battle Van is probably about the size limit I'd be willing to go for on a Marvel Legends vehicle. MAYBE a Fantasticar depending on the bells and whistles.
But personally I'm hoping they shift towards less-pricey "oddball" (in terms of mold/size) characters whose tooling would have limited reuse and thus wouldn't likely work for mass retail (Dwight Stall mentioned Mangog offhand at one point as something along those lines). |
07-06-2022, 10:56 AM | #2759 |
Cobra Viper
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Philly
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I agree that size has to be a factor when considering 6" scale vehicles. That said, a 15-foot USS Flagg would be tempting...of course the 1k+ price tag would probably keep me away...
though a Skystriker stretch goal may make it worth it... |
07-06-2022, 11:11 AM | #2760 |
Iron Grenadier
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Location: kansas
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Lol you all realise with what your saying your also throwing away the idea of a Classified night raven. As well as a Classified skystriker as they aren't that different in size
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