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07-26-2021, 12:44 PM | #61 |
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On a separate topic, it will be interesting to see how the Disney Plus Book of Boba Fett series goes.
I see a lot of similarities with Snake Eyes in that Boba Fett had very little contribution to the Star Wars canon and yet his mysterious appearance made fans go wild. Granted Snake Eyes had more storyline, but he started out as an unpainted cost saving toy that grew into a crazy hysteria. My point being is that in order for the mythos to live in the 21st century, Snake Eyes will need to evolve. A guy that can't talk being the most popular character isn't going to cut it. To build a story behind that is going to need more depth and one of the compromises is that he can at least talk. A mute Snake Eyes could work in a live action tv series as part of an ensemble cast. Renegades did this well. In a movie he could talk up to the point of injury and then he could again be the mute member of a larger cast. The problem is that even had Snake Eyes been a good movie they will never go that way with a Henry Golding in that role. It makes you appreciate the Dredd movie where the actor was fine with never showing his face. |
07-26-2021, 12:47 PM | #62 |
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The whole problem with this movie is perception. It never stood a chance with general audiences Rise of Cobra and Retaliation are seen as jokes to most people. The writing in this movie was atrocious kind of hard to route for a complete prick. When you have a better connection to the supposed villian that ain't good. Making Storm Shadow that trusting made him look like a fool. Hasbro should really rethink about the producer he is the common denominator. If changes is done well I have no problem with it, but change for change sake is short sighted.
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07-26-2021, 12:51 PM | #63 |
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Yeah, or Hellboy, the actor had no qualms about staying under the makeup. As for a silent character, it's an interesting challenge for a filmmaker. Obviously, the cartoon and comic rarely had a solo story with just Snake-Eyes, so you didn't have long stretches with no one speaking at all. But people loved the MASS Device stuff with Snake-Eyes stranded in the snow, and Silent Interlude in the comics. Look at the opening of WALL-E with no dialogue, which introduces his whole character. And, besides, for international marketing, studios are supposed to LOVE movies with lots of action and very little dialogue. Snake-Eyes is the ideal character to export globally, IF you keep him mute! Also, don't forget SE was based on the silent Indian in Yancy Derringer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yancy_Derringer Yancy's sidekick, Pahoo-Ka-Ta-Wah, is a silent Pawnee American Indian who communicates only by sign language. Pahoo-Ka-Ta-Wah is Pawnee for "wolf who stands in water" (as mentioned in the first episode). Although Pahoo is short on talk, he is long on action. Beneath a blanket wrapped about his body, he carries a sawed-off double-barreled shotgun loaded with split buckshot, which he wields in emergencies. Most of the time, however, he uses a throwing knife sheathed on his back. |
07-26-2021, 12:59 PM | #64 |
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I believe Lorenzo di Bonaventura is the one to point the finger at. He's the Kathleen Kennedy of the G.I. Joe movie universe. |
07-26-2021, 01:39 PM | #65 |
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I was enthusiastic going into the movie, but left feeling less so. The movie wasn't great, but I don't think it deserves as much vitriol as it's getting. Eh, its a comic book movie.
Honestly I think most of the critics hit it right on the nose. It was a compelling story in the first two acts and fell apart in the 3rd act. Unfortunately, the 3rd act is when they added in all the JOE stuff and the fantasy elements. I get the fantasy in it gives it a "comic book" feel, but with the 1st two acts ground in reality, it was a pretty jarring. Also, I think they really missed the boat with the character of Snake Eyes, not because I'm a purist but because he just wasn't a likeable character. I'm not sure how many people would identify with him. The dude was basically evil through entire movie until the end and somehow everyone forgives him and he becomes a hero. If this movie wasn't named Snake Eyes and he wasn't the main character, nobody would be ok with the ending. As a vehicle to push Snake Eyes as the foundation of a franchise they failed pretty bad. Last edited by TXSnakeEyes; 07-26-2021 at 01:41 PM.. Reason: grammar |
07-26-2021, 01:46 PM | #66 |
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Yeah, or Hellboy, the actor had no qualms about staying under the makeup. As for a silent character, it's an interesting challenge for a filmmaker. Obviously, the cartoon and comic rarely had a solo story with just Snake-Eyes, so you didn't have long stretches with no one speaking at all. But people loved the MASS Device stuff with Snake-Eyes stranded in the snow, and Silent Interlude in the comics. Look at the opening of WALL-E with no dialogue, which introduces his whole character. And, besides, for international marketing, studios are supposed to LOVE movies with lots of action and very little dialogue. Snake-Eyes is the ideal character to export globally, IF you keep him mute! Also, don't forget SE was based on the silent Indian in Yancy Derringer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yancy_Derringer Yancy's sidekick, Pahoo-Ka-Ta-Wah, is a silent Pawnee American Indian who communicates only by sign language. Pahoo-Ka-Ta-Wah is Pawnee for "wolf who stands in water" (as mentioned in the first episode). Although Pahoo is short on talk, he is long on action. Beneath a blanket wrapped about his body, he carries a sawed-off double-barreled shotgun loaded with split buckshot, which he wields in emergencies. Most of the time, however, he uses a throwing knife sheathed on his back. |
07-26-2021, 03:30 PM | #67 |
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Captain America, Iron Man and Thor were not A-list properties. As comic books, they were second-stringers and on the verge of cancellation or total revamps time and again in the '80s and '90s, even while G.I. Joe was kicking their butts in sales for years. Very little merchandise was put out for those three superheroes even while G.I. Joe never lost its dedicated section in toy stores.
Yet one of the most successful movie franchises in history was built on those mid-tier comic books with their small fan bases. How was it done? First and foremost, by staying faithful to the original comic book stories in look, fact and feel. The characters were cast with actors who looked like they were ripped directly from the comic book pages, just like Chris Reeve was with Superman. That didn't prevent them from casting actors who had movie star qualities to them, good looks and charisma. There's a giant pool of out-of-work actors to choose from, so it's never all that difficult to find one who looks the part. And the costume design stuck to the original, bright color schemes, not putting them in all black leather to try and be "cool." As for the storyline, those characters' origins were told almost step-by-step in synch with the original comic book plots, with minor updates to modernize things like the Vietnam War. The same exact villains were brought on, similarly adapted very faithfully, in all their weirdness. The filmmakers knew that something worked about those plots. The characters were a hit for a while, even if their popularity sagged later. And the basic tone of the comic books remained. They didn't make things too dark, gritty or violent. They stuck with the family-friendly tone of the Marvel comics. The filmmakers knew one thing, if you win over the fans, you have a solid base of support for your movie. The one advantage you have to adapting pre-existing content is that you have a built-in fan base. If you turn those people off, there's absolutely no reason to adapt a pre-existing character at all. You may as well start from scratch. Once you win over the fans, they bring in their families and friends, and start creating good word-of-mouth. Then, if your movie is done well on the basic writing and directing level, the word-of-mouth continues through the non-fans. And, if you keep delivering quality as the MCU generally did, you actually create NEW fans who love these characters solely from their movie appearances, even if they never read the original comics. A formula that's straightforward, simple, logical, effective and was completely ignored by the makers of the three G.I. Joe movies.
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Yeah, Lorenzo di Buenaventura is a cancer to both Hasbro Movie Franchises
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