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02-19-2024, 03:27 AM | #161 |
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It's kind of funny how people are really losing their sh!t for the awesomeness of the Red Shadows Wolf Trooper/Skeletron figure which does the same thing by including two alternate heads in the package to create different characters, but Strike Force Alpha does it and it's a crime against collectors. Whether it's sold as one SKU or two, if you want both characters standing on your shelf simultaneously, you have to buy two copies of the figures anyway. And SFA's pop-n-swap design makes it much easier to change heads without disassembling the whole figure.
After thinking about what you have said, I have concluded that I have been trying to find things that bother me about Strike Force Alpha. While I don't think they are bad figures, there are some things about them that I don't like and adding the swappable head to the list just made it more justifiable. I think I need to look at Strike Force Alpha with some fresh eyes.
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02-21-2024, 07:08 PM | #162 |
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There was at least one point of anything that was physically different between the '82 figures. This is not like that at all. Quote:
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It's kind of funny how people are really losing their sh!t for the awesomeness of the Red Shadows Wolf Trooper/Skeletron figure which does the same thing by including two alternate heads in the package to create different characters, but Strike Force Alpha does it and it's a crime against collectors. Whether it's sold as one SKU or two, if you want both characters standing on your shelf simultaneously, you have to buy two copies of the figures anyway. And SFA's pop-n-swap design makes it much easier to change heads without disassembling the whole figure.
SFA figures, on the other hand, have obvious flaws like the elbows, feel more rubbery, don't stand up on their own without a stand, have odd flaws with the weaponry like the grenade launcher I mentioned, and pretty much have most of the issues that 4" ME figures have in terms of inconsistent joints and falling over. Some things move too much, some don't move enough, etc. Quote:
Listen, Biz, I understand the complaint. I had the same initial reaction when I first opened my package. However, when I stopped and thought about it, I came to appreciate that the part-swapping and customizing aspect is kind of central to the concept of this line - which makes sense, given that one of the main designers is a long-time prominent customizer in the G.I. Joe community.
If you think the Helgard and Dr. Diablo figures are too similar to one another with just the different heads, you can change around their hands and accessories too. And if that's not enough, you can swap parts with other figures, or buy any of several add-on kits to really mix them up. That's all fully built-in to the design. Once you get into it, there's a really expansive number of different character combinations you can create from the parts already available. I think all if this rubbish about customization is just an excuse to hide a lack of creativity (and manufacturing budget) on the part of the manufacturer. Shipping the same thing with the same parts arranged differently in the package is peak laziness.
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02-21-2024, 07:56 PM | #163 |
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Because the Wolf Trooper is awesome. Everything about it is crisp. The paint, the joint movement, the way the accessories fit in the hands, the way it stands up, the hips and O-ring swivel, all of it. The accessories are perfectly tight and everything feels like a completely improved 90s Joe with no drawbacks, no crazy colors, and a return to bespoke equipment for a character.
SFA figures, on the other hand, have obvious flaws like the elbows, feel more rubbery, don't stand up on their own without a stand, have odd flaws with the weaponry like the grenade launcher I mentioned, and pretty much have most of the issues that 4" ME figures have in terms of inconsistent joints and falling over. Some things move too much, some don't move enough, etc. I like the Wolf Trooper okay, but c'mon now, let's be real here. He's a pretty goofy looking guy who looks like a Power Rangers villain. The ridiculous bulky angled shoulder pads completely negate the point of giving the figure swivel wrists, because they make it impossible to pose the figure looking through the gunsight. Meanwhile, I can get a pretty great pose with my Nomad figure looking through his rifle's sight. The weapons themselves are cheap red plastic that look like they belong on a 1990s weapon-tree sprue. And I'm sorry, but did you seriously just criticize SFA figures for falling over when the Wolf Trooper ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND UP ON HIS OWN AFTER YOU PUT HIS BACKPACK AND GEAR ON. He will 100% of the time fall over without the figure stand. Quote:
Shipping the same thing with the same parts arranged differently in the package is peak laziness.
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02-21-2024, 11:53 PM | #164 |
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Those are some heavy rose-colored glasses you're wearing.
I like the Wolf Trooper okay, but c'mon now, let's be real here. He's a pretty goofy looking guy who looks like a Power Rangers villain. The ridiculous bulky angled shoulder pads completely negate the point of giving the figure swivel wrists, because they make it impossible to pose the figure looking through the gunsight. Meanwhile, I can get a pretty great pose with my Nomad figure looking through his rifle's sight. The weapons themselves are cheap red plastic that look like they belong on a 1990s weapon-tree sprue. And I'm sorry, but did you seriously just criticize SFA figures for falling over when the Wolf Trooper ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND UP ON HIS OWN AFTER YOU PUT HIS BACKPACK AND GEAR ON. He will 100% of the time fall over without the figure stand. So, better to not even bother arranging the parts, just shove the extra head in there and expect you to buy two anyway? Because that's so much different, how exactly? Most people I hear from have said he looks like an Astro Viper. I agree with them. The accessories are not cheap or waxy like late year weapon sprues, but I digress because it's clear you're not interested in hearing any of this. You can think what you want. You win.
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02-22-2024, 08:46 AM | #165 |
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there's no getting around the dr.diablo head/trooper thing. he wears the same uniform as his troopers. the swappable heads was what was supposed to be a feature this whole time. during the promotion for the campaign the swappable heads was heavily showed off. during the campaign jason took that away. after the campaign jason found it in his heart to include them.
and by "found it in his heart" it likely was it made no difference to include the extra head in cost. i'm not going to get upset that the main two heroes heads were promoted specifically as who would be swapped heads, and then when we finally got them included the second head was not painted like the other character; but at least there is a second head to swap and it matches the character it comes with. this and the 11th hour decision to include that second head is the only thing i can give credit to this person about; because it's why i even bothered with this campaign. the end product is not worth his bullshit. it's not just swapping between these two figures. so that weird alien astronaut thing, you can take his arms and swap them with another character. same for the zombie figures. you can swap their arms with a regular human and show the process of them getting infected. you have to buy these wholly different figures to make this swap function work. i dont understand the problem with this particular pack, biz. it's what we were supposed to get the whole time. look at it like a helmeted head to swap out. that's what i'm doing. there IS a visual difference in quality between these figures and the wolf trooper. the wolf trooper is a really well done figure. the sculpt is crisp. it has multiple accessories. none of these things are true for the SFA figures. they're o-ring figures. that's it. between SFA and Longbow(since the skeletron campaign isnt a whole o-ring line); if these were running at the same time there's no way i'd back SFA. it's like comparing 3rd generation reused mold remco figures in plastic bags at walgreens for 2.49 (which i have a very vivid memory of being bewildered/mystified by) to a hasbro 1990 gijoe. the modern sculpt wolf trooper; that's the one everyone is losing their shit about. that thread has how many mentions of the o-ring one? i know im one mention. there's a few posts about how to display the weapons, but how many raves? everyone can like and dislike what they want. im not peeing in your cheerios for liking this line. dont pee in ours for disliking it. i'm not telling people to not buy them. you dont have to defend it. it's cool. we're all internet semi buds here. Last edited by THEDARKONE508; 02-22-2024 at 08:59 AM.. |
02-22-2024, 11:13 AM | #166 |
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there's no getting around the dr.diablo head/trooper thing. he wears the same uniform as his troopers. the swappable heads was what was supposed to be a feature this whole time. during the promotion for the campaign the swappable heads was heavily showed off. during the campaign jason took that away. after the campaign jason found it in his heart to include them.
and by "found it in his heart" it likely was it made no difference to include the extra head in cost. i'm not going to get upset that the main two heroes heads were promoted specifically as who would be swapped heads, and then when we finally got them included the second head was not painted like the other character; but at least there is a second head to swap and it matches the character it comes with. this and the 11th hour decision to include that second head is the only thing i can give credit to this person about; because it's why i even bothered with this campaign. the end product is not worth his bullshit. it's not just swapping between these two figures. so that weird alien astronaut thing, you can take his arms and swap them with another character. same for the zombie figures. you can swap their arms with a regular human and show the process of them getting infected. you have to buy these wholly different figures to make this swap function work. i dont understand the problem with this particular pack, biz. it's what we were supposed to get the whole time. look at it like a helmeted head to swap out. that's what i'm doing. there IS a visual difference in quality between these figures and the wolf trooper. the wolf trooper is a really well done figure. the sculpt is crisp. it has multiple accessories. none of these things are true for the SFA figures. they're o-ring figures. that's it. between SFA and Longbow(since the skeletron campaign isnt a whole o-ring line); if these were running at the same time there's no way i'd back SFA. it's like comparing 3rd generation reused mold remco figures in plastic bags at walgreens for 2.49 (which i have a very vivid memory of being bewildered/mystified by) to a hasbro 1990 gijoe. the modern sculpt wolf trooper; that's the one everyone is losing their shit about. that thread has how many mentions of the o-ring one? i know im one mention. there's a few posts about how to display the weapons, but how many raves? everyone can like and dislike what they want. im not peeing in your cheerios for liking this line. dont pee in ours for disliking it. i'm not telling people to not buy them. you dont have to defend it. it's cool. we're all internet semi buds here. I only got 4 figures - Hellgard, Dr Diablo, that white and red trooper guy, and the green camo guy with the silver skull-faced helmet.
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02-22-2024, 11:52 AM | #167 |
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How many people display figures without their gear? Do you? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any vintage Joes that fall over when you put their backpacks on. Even the Talking Battle Commanders and Eco Warriors with their ridiculous huge backpacks can stand up on their own with all their gear on. Not this Wolf Trooper, though. You put his backpack on and he is incapable of standing up in any pose until you secure him on the stand. Quote:
The accessories are not cheap or waxy like late year weapon sprues,
Again, I want to be clear that I like the Wolf Trooper figure. I'm glad I bought him. I just think you're holding SFA to an unreasonable double standard. Your biggest complaint is that you have two characters who are the same figure with different heads, which you see as a horrible scam and rip-off. Yet the Wolf Trooper/Skeletron does the same thing and that's a great innovation and value. The only difference between them is that SFA sells them as two different SKUs on separate cards, while Red Shadows sells it as one SKU with two bio cards printed on the same cardback. In either case, if you want both characters, you need to buy two copies - and the pricing is comparable. SFA also make it easier to swap heads, and sells add-on accessory packs (zombie, android, etc.) so you can swap other body parts around as well if you want. Sure, that's an additional investment, but Red Shadows doesn't have an option like that at all. Quote:
but I digress because it's clear you're not interested in hearing any of this. You can think what you want.
No, the figures are not exactly like vintage G.I. Joe. But they are in the same spirit and have a lot of great features. I think they're pretty neat and make a great companion on my shelf near other G.I. Joe-adjacent o-ring toys, including the Wolf Trooper, Eagle Force R.I.O.T. Commando, Bronze Bombers, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Unifighters, etc. YMMV. I look forward to adding Callsign: Longbow and Operation: Recall next to them. Last edited by Josh Z; 02-22-2024 at 11:57 AM.. |
02-22-2024, 11:57 AM | #168 |
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i get it now. yeah the second sku is not necessary if both heads are included, at least for the "character"/troop figure packs.
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02-22-2024, 12:06 PM | #169 |
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Is their anything here or your world you are positive about? At the end of the day it?s toys dude. Enjoy or don?t. But don?t let plastic men control your emotions .
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