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05-15-2021, 02:19 PM | #61 |
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If we don't promote it it will fail and they will start to bend the knee to actual fans in hopes that we will rally behind it and fuel their machine to make more stuff. The moment we say no is the moment we take control remember that. Companies DO listen if they didn't they will always lose money which is what is going to happen here. This will be an expensive mistake on their part.Those figures suck and so will this movie period. It wasn't made for us so why would we watch it?
Who's buying GI Joe right now? 6" figure collectors and old GI Joe fans. Once the 6" collectors see their newest Marvel Legends line and stuff comes out and GI Joe isn't so readily available, they won't care about GI Joe. That leaves us and with how many of us are upset about lack of availability than it might not be a good lookout for Joe. There's only three pegs tops at any of your stores. Target might only have 2 pegs for Joes, and Walmart only has 3 pegs for Joes at best. As it stands the biggest issue with GI Joe is that no new fans are getting into this franchise. If you think that it is a situation that will somehow make the brand grow strong again, then you're literally a fool. We basically need to hope that Snake Eyes can do for GI Joe what Transformers 2007 did for Transformers. It introduced a whole new generation of fans into the franchise that have become the "core" audience of dedicated fans. Transformers is now also one of the most powerful and top selling toy brands in the world. Also to you Joe fans...Henry Golding as Snake Eyes...it won't matter. No matter what it's here to stay. There's never going to be a retcon, or a change, unless the whole franchise gets a complete reboot. We Transformers fans had to accept that Movie Ironhide is a stupid big black Chevy ruck instead of a dopey red Japanese van, and his face is some mishmash of robot human and robot cow. We had to accept that Optimus Prime is a psychotic killer instead of a merciful leader of heroic robots. We had to accept that Decepticons will always look like hunks of metal splinters piled together in the shape of robots instead of any coherent robot that transforms. Basically the Transformers fans have had 14 years to accept that the Movies is JUST GOING TO BE DIFFERENT than the show and comics we old fuckers used to love and cherish. Transformers 2007, like Snake Eyes, was NEVER made for us. At best it'll have easter eggs and references that old fans of the series are going to get. But the real audience of Snake Eyes is people who aren't fans of GI Joe yet. This Movie's goal is to hook them in and turn them into fans. This is THEIR GI Joe, not our GI Joe. We're just going to have to live with this. Look at what happened to Transformers. After the massive success of 2007 and Revenge of the Fallen in 2009, Transformers has been raking in so much money that Hasbro can afford to cater to nostalgia driven collectors. Yes, we've had a bunch of Movies and Movie based TF product, but we're also literally living in a golden age of modern G1 Transformers. All thanks to the success of the movie. So to any haters and doubters...I get it but actually use your brain and engage reason and logic outside of your fanboi-ism. You're nerd raging and you're failing to realize how fucking dire of a situation GI Joe is in. If this movie fails it's likely it. It's likely Paramount won't be willing to do it again considering the two previous GI Joe movies failed spectacularly. If this movie fails, any subsequent GI Joe movie could likely be a bunch of dumb ass teens in 10 dollar costumes filming a slipshod movie on a 5 year old cellphone camera. I'm speaking here of someone who's been in Transformers since the 80s and saw the 2007 movie. I've seen how a movie that is NOTHING LIKE the Transformers I know and love turn the franchise into the powerhouse it is in 2021. Give Snake Eyes a chance. I'm not saying it's going to be good. I'm just saying give it a chance. Last edited by PlanckEpoch; 05-15-2021 at 03:59 PM.. |
05-15-2021, 03:28 PM | #62 |
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Agreed. So why do we have to discuss it so frequently? Can we not just talk about toys and the toy-centered media? Every movie-themed thread devolving into the same 10 people stating the same 10 views on the subject over and over is getting to be tiresome.
I'm not pointing the finger at you specifically, by the by- you just happen to be the latest post, and I'm not one to multi-quote. |
05-15-2021, 03:37 PM | #63 |
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That choker could be hiding a scar from a sword that someone from the Arashikage clan used on her?
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I'll steer clear of the demographics/diversity "debate" here, since that "ship has sailed" a long time ago*.
However, despite a lot of comments to the contrary, Úrsula Corberó is quite an attractive woman, actually (as is Samara Weaving). That promotional photo definitely doesn't do her justice. Plus certainly doesn't help that the cheap choker she's wearing makes it appear as if her head has been re-attached with duct tape**. People's perceptions of Corberó may change dramatically when they see her in action (she's awesome in an intense Spanish crime drama called "Money Heist"). Back to that choker for a second, both Baroness's outfit/Scarlett's body armour look kinda tacky, imo. Veering dangerously close to 1987 "Masters of the Universe" movie territory. *And is never, ever "returning to port". (Sorry, white people.) **One time, a maintenance person joked about using duct tape, and my grandmother had never heard of it***. How is that possible? ***The duct tape.
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05-15-2021, 11:34 PM | #64 |
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If we don't support it GI Joe dies. GI Joe is an EMERGING BRAND at Hasbro right now. Not a power brand, not a legacy brand. A brand that is TRYING to get off it's feet and soar into the sky. You clearly haven't been paying attention because you've got your eyes so fucking stuck up the ass of Larry Hama and ARAH or some stupid shit.
Who's buying GI Joe right now? 6" figure collectors and old GI Joe fans. Once the 6" collectors see their newest Marvel Legends line and stuff comes out and GI Joe isn't so readily available, they won't care about GI Joe. That leaves us and with how many of us are upset about lack of availability than it might not be a good lookout for Joe. There's only three pegs tops at any of your stores. Target might only have 2 pegs for Joes, and Walmart only has 3 pegs for Joes at best. As it stands the biggest issue with GI Joe is that no new fans are getting into this franchise. If you think that it is a situation that will somehow make the brand grow strong again, then you're literally a fool. We basically need to hope that Snake Eyes can do for GI Joe what Transformers 2007 did for Transformers. It introduced a whole new generation of fans into the franchise that have become the "core" audience of dedicated fans. Transformers is now also one of the most powerful and top selling toy brands in the world. Also to you Joe fans...Henry Golding as Snake Eyes...it won't matter. No matter what it's here to stay. There's never going to be a retcon, or a change, unless the whole franchise gets a complete reboot. We Transformers fans had to accept that Movie Ironhide is a stupid big black Chevy ruck instead of a dopey red Japanese van, and his face is some mishmash of robot human and robot cow. We had to accept that Optimus Prime is a psychotic killer instead of a merciful leader of heroic robots. We had to accept that Decepticons will always look like hunks of metal splinters piled together in the shape of robots instead of any coherent robot that transforms. Basically the Transformers fans have had 14 years to accept that the Movies is JUST GOING TO BE DIFFERENT than the show and comics we old fuckers used to love and cherish. Transformers 2007, like Snake Eyes, was NEVER made for us. At best it'll have easter eggs and references that old fans of the series are going to get. But the real audience of Snake Eyes is people who aren't fans of GI Joe yet. This Movie's goal is to hook them in and turn them into fans. This is THEIR GI Joe, not our GI Joe. We're just going to have to live with this. Look at what happened to Transformers. After the massive success of 2007 and Revenge of the Fallen in 2009, Transformers has been raking in so much money that Hasbro can afford to cater to nostalgia driven collectors. Yes, we've had a bunch of Movies and Movie based TF product, but we're also literally living in a golden age of modern G1 Transformers. All thanks to the success of the movie. So to any haters and doubters...I get it but actually use your brain and engage reason and logic outside of your fanboi-ism. You're nerd raging and you're failing to realize how fucking dire of a situation GI Joe is in. If this movie fails it's likely it. It's likely Paramount won't be willing to do it again considering the two previous GI Joe movies failed spectacularly. If this movie fails, any subsequent GI Joe movie could likely be a bunch of dumb ass teens in 10 dollar costumes filming a slipshod movie on a 5 year old cellphone camera. I'm speaking here of someone who's been in Transformers since the 80s and saw the 2007 movie. I've seen how a movie that is NOTHING LIKE the Transformers I know and love turn the franchise into the powerhouse it is in 2021. Give Snake Eyes a chance. I'm not saying it's going to be good. I'm just saying give it a chance. Best case scenario is GI Joe becomes a money making machine for Hasbro and they can throw a little more money and effort behind some vintage ARAH/4" action figures and vehicles for those of us who have supported the line. Worst case is that the movie flops and we don't get those figures which leaves us at the current status quo. Might as well try to be positive and hope the movie does well. If it turns out to suck then again we really have not lost out. I'm not saying everyone just has to accept the movie and not be able to criticize it but at least give the movie a chance before passing judgement. |
05-16-2021, 12:00 AM | #65 |
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I feel this pretty much captures the reality of the situation. I am an ARAH fan but that won't get in the way of me hoping that this movie outperforms expectations and is able to elevate GI Joe's interest for a new generation of fans while giving us older fans a movie we can enjoy.
Best case scenario is GI Joe becomes a money making machine for Hasbro and they can throw a little more money and effort behind some vintage ARAH/4" action figures and vehicles for those of us who have supported the line. Worst case is that the movie flops and we don't get those figures which leaves us at the current status quo. Might as well try to be positive and hope the movie does well. If it turns out to suck then again we really have not lost out. I'm not saying everyone just has to accept the movie and not be able to criticize it but at least give the movie a chance before passing judgement. Now? It always bears repeating that Transformers is Hasbro's biggest toy brand, hands down. It's got huge mass market, popular culture, and fan appeal, and it continues to draw in fans in the US and world wide. I won't say for certain Snake Eyes will let GI Joe take off but I think for all our sakes we gotta hope it does. |
05-16-2021, 01:08 AM | #66 |
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05-16-2021, 01:32 AM | #67 |
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If we don't promote it it will fail and they will start to bend the knee to actual fans in hopes that we will rally behind it and fuel their machine to make more stuff. The moment we say no is the moment we take control remember that. Companies DO listen if they didn't they will always lose money which is what is going to happen here. This will be an expensive mistake on their part.Those figures suck and so will this movie period. It wasn't made for us so why would we watch it?
Hasbro is taking a huge gamble even bringing GI Joe back. Boycotting the brand will most definitely not make Hasbro somehow magically make exactly what you want, instead it will only prove to them that the brand is once again not viable and will need to once again be put to rest. And no, Hasbro will not make “what the fans (you) want” when/if they bring Joe back, because there really is no “what the fans want”. Some fans want Sunbow, some fans want Marvel Comics, some fans want “based off the classic card art”. No matter what Hasbro tries, some fans won’t like it, but all of those fans combined still aren’t enough people to keep the brand going. In the end, boycotting it will only make the brand die (again) and will NOT make Hasbro bow down to you. Plus, even 10 Tankers not watching the movie is completely insignificant to Hasbro. In fact, the entirety of Hisstank is insignificant numbers for Hasbro and for their movie. Many tankers underestimate how small our community is compared to the market as a whole. And yes, spamming images of snake eyes’s burnt blonde ARAH comic head in the replies to every twitter post about the Snake Eyes movie isn’t changing a thing Last edited by Yeet; 05-16-2021 at 01:40 AM.. |
05-16-2021, 05:07 AM | #68 |
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Tonight's the night fellas!!!
Let's see what the trailer shows us. Will it be a 10 second trailer? One and a half minute trailer? Will it show us very little details? We'll soon see. Last edited by sbartek1974; 05-16-2021 at 05:10 AM.. |
05-16-2021, 05:52 AM | #69 |
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If we don't support it GI Joe dies. GI Joe is an EMERGING BRAND at Hasbro right now. Not a power brand, not a legacy brand. A brand that is TRYING to get off its feet and soar into the sky. You clearly haven't been paying attention because you've got your eyes so fucking stuck up the ass of Larry Hama and ARAH or some stupid shit.
--snip-- I attend every single Hasbro financial call so I know what PlanckEpoch says is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Before 2007, only a handful of people from my country knew about Transformers. Now, characters like Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are household names known to everybody and their grandma. If the 2007 movie failed, no Transformers fan would see the current "retro" line of toys. Na-da. Not even Hasbro would be here today. Physical toys are on their way out but it's the entertainment that keeps it alive. Mattel knows this now and is scrambling to do entertainment projects to keep the company alive. Support Snake Eyes, for I hear that it is at least a wonderfully entertaining movie with some of the best fight choreography to date. Take lore and throw it out of the window, just like what Transformers fans did. All the movies bought in cash and Hasbro used that cash to cater to long-time fans. No cash = No G.I. Joe (movie products or otherwise). |
05-16-2021, 04:05 PM | #70 |
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Everything I would have said, perfectly written in words. Two thumbs up for PlanckEpoch.
I attend every single Hasbro financial call so I know what PlanckEpoch says is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Before 2007, only a handful of people from my country knew about Transformers. Now, characters like Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are household names known to everybody and their grandma. If the 2007 movie failed, no Transformers fan would see the current "retro" line of toys. Na-da. Not even Hasbro would be here today. Physical toys are on their way out but it's the entertainment that keeps it alive. Mattel knows this now and is scrambling to do entertainment projects to keep the company alive. Support Snake Eyes, for I hear that it is at least a wonderfully entertaining movie with some of the best fight choreography to date. Take lore and throw it out of the window, just like what Transformers fans did. All the movies bought in cash and Hasbro used that cash to cater to long-time fans. No cash = No G.I. Joe (movie products or otherwise). As an ARAH G1 original, I would like to say I've read ARAH Comics for the first 12 years of Collecting Joe and have been grateful to have been able to read ARAH continuity comics for the last 12 years... ARAH has never really left. I've enjoyed the in-between Sunbow, Marvel, DIC, Extreme, Dark Horse, Spy Troops, Valor vs. Venom, Bench Press, Sigma Six, Renegades, IDW, Resolute, Rise of Cobra, Retaliation, 25th, 50th, Classified, Retro.. I've enjoyed some more than others, but.. I'm sure we can agree as fans of G.I. Joe in General that we all individually became fans during different eras above and canon to one person can be different from another persons perspective and that doesn't make anybody in particular wrong.. everything ever offered GIJOE has a little continuity change from version to version given to us. the only thing we know is we are all fans of the toy, cartoon, comic or movies or both or all. As for Snake Eyes, it is not a mystery that he is a man, he once talked (he did speak to Scarlett in the arah comic), he does have a face under the mask... the reason why I say this is everyone seen Snake Eyes face in the comics, the mystery was to the reader who could not see it.. even the professors at Columbia University said they seen his face all the time in Marvel issue #2 and on the same page the MP who was coming to get him to give him a mission also seen his face.. eventually we all seen it I think Paramount didn't get that the mystery was to the readers/viewers and not to the fiction and I also think Hasbro just did a bad job in translating that... the only reason why I say that is they have already given us the first ever unmasked Classified Snake Eyes figure and with the poster release of Snake Eyes holding the mask in his hand clearly indicates they went all out right away.. I just think they could have held it back without making any changes to their film and gave us that original mystery feeling by delivering all that in the movie.. Overall, I think we will get a kick-but movie and I cant wait to see the trailer tonight! I am a proud GIJOE Collector and am thrilled to get a new incarnation of GIJOE on such a big scale! I would love to see an ARAH movie with ARAH Canon, but maybe I'll get it down the road if everything else pans out! Yojoe! Last edited by deathvalleymachine; 05-16-2021 at 06:48 PM.. |
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