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01-26-2021, 10:31 AM | #8661 |
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That really sucks about your Firefly. Where did it break? If the damage was suffered where the ball meets the post that could have happened on any figure that utilizes "normal" hips.
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01-26-2021, 11:01 AM | #8662 |
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This is my worry. According to the guy in the first part of the video we were supposed to get a ton of movie toys and then the same amount of the current figures we are getting. If this movie sucks it could kill the entire brand. I am suspicious too at this point because we have not seen a trailer. That is not a good sign. I was at the Joe Convention in Orlando and the Hasbro guy then (was it Depriest?) said then the next G.I. Joe stuff to come out will be tied to the next movie. Vala said in this video that they did not want to do 6" earlier because no movie. That would have been around the same time as the convention I attended. So it looks like they are putting most of their eggs into one basket. This movie better be F-ing good. Or I hope some light has dawned on them up in Pawtucket and they see G.I. Joe can be successful and in demand without any media. Just make the damn toys.
It may be terrible, it may be great, or most likely it's somewhere in-between those two, but I don't think the reason we haven't seen a trailer is because it's terrible. Just that they don't want the anticipation curve to start waning due to the potential for more delays. And yeah, I'm quite willing to believe that Classified was meant to just be a warm-up for the movie product, with a light tie-in to the Operation: Blackout video game. But now Hasbro and retailers have hard data they can look at and see that the product was in-demand even without the movie tie-in (at least in greater demand than the initial supply, though how great overall is an open question). I suspect with that in mind Classified is still going to be around when the movie product hits. Especially as by most indications the six inch line only has a handful and some change of movie figures in the works. There'll probably be a lot of ancillary merchandise/secondary lines that are movie-themed, though. Last edited by Jmacq1; 01-26-2021 at 11:05 AM.. |
01-26-2021, 11:53 AM | #8663 |
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Wouldn't this just be par for the course? Could you imagine? That would be the biggest disappointment ever. If the Classified line died an early death, with so much untapped potential, it would be really depressing.
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01-26-2021, 12:03 PM | #8664 |
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01-26-2021, 12:31 PM | #8665 |
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I was hoping more for a Netflix cartoon series or something else like that to put these characters in the faces of people that aren't already looking for them. Any kind of marketing tool that increases awareness could be a good thing especially since having toys on the pegs in stores is not going to happen. *eye roll* |
01-26-2021, 01:07 PM | #8666 |
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If this movie sucks it could kill the entire brand. I am suspicious too at this point because we have not seen a trailer. That is not a good sign. I was at the Joe Convention in Orlando and the Hasbro guy then (was it Depriest?) said then the next G.I. Joe stuff to come out will be tied to the next movie. Vala said in this video that they did not want to do 6" earlier because no movie. That would have been around the same time as the convention I attended. So it looks like they are putting most of their eggs into one basket. This movie better be F-ing good. Or I hope some light has dawned on them up in Pawtucket and they see G.I. Joe can be successful and in demand without any media. Just make the damn toys.
the 25th line was going wonderfully. everything was great. then the first movie came and all of the stuff shifted to Rise of Cobra. It wasn't great the movie figures were bland. The line stumbled a bit. Then they went back to 30th anniversary and Pursuit of Cobra stuff - and it was awesome. But the figures were more difficult to find due to the glut of movie figures that retailers had been stung by. Then the 2nd movie, Retaliation, was about to come out. Stores began to receive their first shipments of figures... and suddenly the movie was postponed for a year. Shipments of figures were haulted and stores were actually told not to sell what they had (of course some did). There was no Joe product for an entire year! Finally the movie came out but Hasbro wasn't able to recover their distribution. Stores were overstocked on the first 2 waves that were already made and didn't want to order more because of the debacle with the hiatus. Barely any of the 3rd and 4th waves made it out, and not until way after the movie was forgotten.. Joe never recovered at retail... despite the fact that the fans remained loyal and ready to buy. Hasbro had totally screwed everyone over |
01-26-2021, 01:20 PM | #8667 |
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that is what happened to the 4 inch figures. the movies killed the toyline.
the 25th line was going wonderfully. everything was great. then the first movie came and all of the stuff shifted to Rise of Cobra. It wasn't great the movie figures were bland. The line stumbled a bit. Then they went back to 30th anniversary and Pursuit of Cobra stuff - and it was awesome. But the figures were more difficult to find due to the glut of movie figures that retailers had been stung by. Then the 2nd movie, Retaliation, was about to come out. Stores began to receive their first shipments of figures... and suddenly the movie was postponed for a year. Shipments of figures were haulted and stores were actually told not to sell what they had (of course some did). There was no Joe product for an entire year! Finally the movie came out but Hasbro wasn't able to recover their distribution. Stores were overstocked on the first 2 waves that were already made and didn't want to order more because of the debacle with the hiatus. Barely any of the 3rd and 4th waves made it out, and not until way after the movie was forgotten.. Joe never recovered at retail... despite the fact that the fans remained loyal and ready to buy. Hasbro had totally screwed everyone over The hard truth is that (in the last couple decades) GI Joe seems to have a hard ceiling in terms of demand. Yes, there is a "loyal fanbase willing to spend" but that fanbase is not large enough to support a robust line at retail in the long term. With Classified this is likely going to be even further exacerbated by the fact that there's a significant segment of existing fandom that simply refuses to buy the 6" scale. That said, if we're lucky we get a few years of good product out of Hasbro before the line starts pegwarming and dwindles off again. Unless of course the new movie (potentially movies) is a big hit and reinvigorates the franchise for NEW fans. Oh, and Hasbro doesn't get to decide when the movies come out. That's Paramount. THEY screwed Joe (and Hasbro) harder than anyone else. Paramount's dithering with release schedules isn't Hasbro's fault. Last edited by Jmacq1; 01-26-2021 at 01:35 PM.. |
01-26-2021, 01:23 PM | #8668 |
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that is what happened to the 4 inch figures. the movies killed the toyline.
the 25th line was going wonderfully. everything was great. then the first movie came and all of the stuff shifted to Rise of Cobra. It wasn't great the movie figures were bland. The line stumbled a bit. Then they went back to 30th anniversary and Pursuit of Cobra stuff - and it was awesome. But the figures were more difficult to find due to the glut of movie figures that retailers had been stung by. Then the 2nd movie, Retaliation, was about to come out. Stores began to receive their first shipments of figures... and suddenly the movie was postponed for a year. Shipments of figures were haulted and stores were actually told not to sell what they had (of course some did). There was no Joe product for an entire year! Finally the movie came out but Hasbro wasn't able to recover their distribution. Stores were overstocked on the first 2 waves that were already made and didn't want to order more because of the debacle with the hiatus. Barely any of the 3rd and 4th waves made it out, and not until way after the movie was forgotten.. Joe never recovered at retail... despite the fact that the fans remained loyal and ready to buy. Hasbro had totally screwed everyone over The Ret. delay caused Target to stop carrying the figures after they sold off their initial stock of Ret. Figures. WM basically did the same. I only saw the Ret. W3 figures once on the shelves at WM. Then Ret. W3, and W4 got split up among 5B, and Tuesday Morning. That was great for those of us that had those stores, but it marked the end of Joe's being an Evergreen product. Hopefully, the "success" of the Classified line will keep Joe as an Evergreen product.
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01-26-2021, 01:33 PM | #8669 |
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That's about right.
The Ret. delay caused Target to stop carrying the figures after they sold off their initial stock of Ret. Figures. WM basically did the same. I only saw the Ret. W3 figures once on the shelves at WM. Then Ret. W3, and W4 got split up among 5B, and Tuesday Morning. That was great for those of us that had those stores, but it marked the end of Joe's being an Evergreen product. Hopefully, the "success" of the Classified line will keep Joe as an Evergreen product. Joe just simply doesn't seem to be able to sustain itself as an "evergreen" product in the long term. It always dwindles to a point where Hasbro and retailers feel like they have to reinvent the wheel with either a new format or new media or both. The Classified line is magma-hot right now, but there's a whole host of factors playing into that that can't really be replicated any other year. We'll see where it stands in a couple more years, but hopefully we get plenty of good product in-between. It doesn't help that the (understandable) delays on the Snake-Eyes movie and accompanying product are likely making Hasbro be conservative with the Classified line (hence the slow-rolls of just a couple or three characters at a time) so that there isn't a glut of product still on shelves when the movie toys finally ship. Last edited by Jmacq1; 01-26-2021 at 01:37 PM.. |
01-26-2021, 01:51 PM | #8670 |
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I think the double joint on GJC is my favorite use of it on a US figure. But that opinion is largely influenced by the drop down hips. Sometimes I'll use either the top or the bottom knee joint and supplement the stance balance with the hips. To a large degree it works better for me on these figures than it does with ML.
ACK! You are right! Somehow I got articulation in my head and a tangential line of thinking ensued. I apologize. That said your comparison asks one to compare the arguably weaker figures in GJC to two of the strongest figures in Marvel Legends and Black Series. If we are to compare "greatness to greatness" let's use Beskar Mando vs Cobra Trooper and Nebula vs Baroness. As much as I LOVE those Mando and Nebs figures CT and Baroness edge them out. Others may feel differently. We are indeed way early in the GJC line to begin claiming it's the greatest line going. However, all signs point to,"yes" in my opinion. One thing is for certain...we certainly have a large number of fantastic figures coming out of the Hasbro camp that the game "Which one is the greatest" struggles to find a clear winner. That's a great problem for us to have. For all things 2020 totally fucked up Hasbro figures were not one of those things. Cool.
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