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04-02-2021, 11:53 AM | #7701 |
Crimson Guardsman
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It seems hypocritical to demand figures be more like their card art then laud a Cobra Commander with completely wrong arms/gloves over one that actually gets it right...
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04-02-2021, 12:18 PM | #7702 |
Reptilian Ninja
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Its called business. Customizers can do whatever they want to their little hearts content all day long. Hasbro has to follow a business plan for they stay in the black for the year. None of us know what is going on in those business meetings. They could be saying "We need to put this storm shadow version in the retro packaging but in order to do so we will have to do this and this. However, if we use this one we will save this and this. Lets do that. When we used it for the 50th it sold well so maybe this time it will be well received again." The molds could be cracked, lost, or whatever and based on how sells have been before they do not want to invest much more into it to fix it cause they fear a loss. Hasbro isn't a collectors company they are a toy company. Marvel and Star Wars are different cause they sell out the wazoo.
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04-02-2021, 12:29 PM | #7703 |
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Being a true fan, good customizers put love and passion In Their work. And in fairness you can see it. As much as you hear it from corporate reps. It’s Hard to do that when you got an assembly line. Especially when they do try and consumers shit on it anyway. People will always , find a way to complain. It’s easier to do.
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04-02-2021, 01:03 PM | #7704 |
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Its called business. Customizers can do whatever they want to their little hearts content all day long. Hasbro has to follow a business plan for they stay in the black for the year. None of us know what is going on in those business meetings. They could be saying "We need to put this storm shadow version in the retro packaging but in order to do so we will have to do this and this. However, if we use this one we will save this and this. Lets do that. When we used it for the 50th it sold well so maybe this time it will be well received again." The molds could be cracked, lost, or whatever and based on how sells have been before they do not want to invest much more into it to fix it cause they fear a loss. Hasbro isn't a collectors company they are a toy company. Marvel and Star Wars are different cause they sell out the wazoo.
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Easy Man. Love.
Being a true fan, good customizers put love and passion In Their work. And in fairness you can see it. As much as you hear it from corporate reps. It’s Hard to do that when you got an assembly line. Especially when they do try and consumers shit on it anyway. People will always , find a way to complain. It’s easier to do. But even I have to cringe at the retro Duke which I admittedly purchased just to "support the line". Well, I love the packaging too. I kind of wish I had left the figure in it.
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04-02-2021, 02:22 PM | #7705 |
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Love and profit.
I don't doubt for a moment that the designers are mostly thrilled to do their jobs every day, but they also have to make the items affordable (which has all kinds of connotations about weight, material(s), colors, accessories and so on). That has to pass muster with corporate, who will be the ones to deliver downers to the designers (let's hypothetically say the decision to retool Duke's face was too costly, so corporate said "you gotta work with what we have," and that's the only reason we get o-face Duke). Wrap that all up in deadlines in order to make sure the factories are booked and set up to roll these out? Love is definitely a part of why customs folk do what they do, but you're also prioritizing the things you want, aren't moved by cost (as much), don't have deadlines to meet, and don't have anyone telling you to spend less (barring spouses who have seen the receipts, heh). Hasbro has all those things constraining them. All that said, I really like the retro packaging of this line, but yeah, not a huge fan of the sculpts. I don't have the deep line knowledge y'all do, and my wish is simply "as close to the product as when I was a kid." It's my $15/pop midlife crisis.
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04-02-2021, 05:41 PM | #7706 |
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A customizer doesn't need to justify additional costs and labor. It's just that simple.
You want an additional shade of brown on the camo? I'll grab a bottle of the Tamiya, Vallejo or Citadel paints at the hobby shop. I want to make the leg armor look more substantial? I can spend a whole afternoon chopping up some Zoid or Gundam model kits with my Dremel and Exacto to kitbash some shapes. Does the figure need a really cool sort of cape swept over one shoulder? I'll just mix up some green stuff epoxy and handbuild it. Hmm. The left arm should look more techno-organic..I've got a beat up Marvel Legends Colossus that my dog savaged, so I can just use that left arm. Easy peasy! That whole process when you try to turn that into particular parts choices, paint apps, or custom gear starts getting pricy very fast when you scale it up for factory manufacture. When you are looking at a line that is already on life support and supported by only one store? That squeezes the penny even harder..
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04-02-2021, 06:27 PM | #7707 |
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Love and profit.
I don't doubt for a moment that the designers are mostly thrilled to do their jobs every day, but they also have to make the items affordable (which has all kinds of connotations about weight, material(s), colors, accessories and so on). That has to pass muster with corporate, who will be the ones to deliver downers to the designers (let's hypothetically say the decision to retool Duke's face was too costly, so corporate said "you gotta work with what we have," and that's the only reason we get o-face Duke). Wrap that all up in deadlines in order to make sure the factories are booked and set up to roll these out? Love is definitely a part of why customs folk do what they do, but you're also prioritizing the things you want, aren't moved by cost (as much), don't have deadlines to meet, and don't have anyone telling you to spend less (barring spouses who have seen the receipts, heh). Hasbro has all those things constraining them. All that said, I really like the retro packaging of this line, but yeah, not a huge fan of the sculpts. I don't have the deep line knowledge y'all do, and my wish is simply "as close to the product as when I was a kid." It's my $15/pop midlife crisis. Quote:
A customizer doesn't need to justify additional costs and labor. It's just that simple.
You want an additional shade of brown on the camo? I'll grab a bottle of the Tamiya, Vallejo or Citadel paints at the hobby shop. I want to make the leg armor look more substantial? I can spend a whole afternoon chopping up some Zoid or Gundam model kits with my Dremel and Exacto to kitbash some shapes. Does the figure need a really cool sort of cape swept over one shoulder? I'll just mix up some green stuff epoxy and handbuild it. Hmm. The left arm should look more techno-organic..I've got a beat up Marvel Legends Colossus that my dog savaged, so I can just use that left arm. Easy peasy! That whole process when you try to turn that into particular parts choices, paint apps, or custom gear starts getting pricy very fast when you scale it up for factory manufacture. When you are looking at a line that is already on life support and supported by only one store? That squeezes the penny even harder.. Take into consideration though, materials , labor, parts choice do factor when you sell your customs. It’s kinda half and half. None of that jive matters to guys building their armies to their specs. Their on their own deadline. And free to their imagination. Kitbashing and head swapping being even easier and built to how that person wants. But customizers who sell are on deadlines, and have to meet customer satisfaction with each one built. Lots of variables into that: creating what the customer wants, are they letting you have 50,60,70% free range of your imagination, do they have an idea of what they want? Just to name a few. I get Hasbro can’t pump out what people love. Only what they will settle for. To really truly captivate our love for Joes, it will cost way more than fucking $19.99. Even at $50 for a 4 inch figure, you really got to dial that in without sacrificing your quality, imagination, and originality. Very tough to do. For me that’s why I do both. I’ll build whatever a customer wants. But sometime I like taking steps back inbetween and creating brand new stuff. Expanding our universe . That’s me though. And this isn’t to sound like a modest asshole, which I do , do a lot. I love Joes and like you said it’s been on life support for a long time. I’m doing what I can to keep it alive.
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04-02-2021, 11:14 PM | #7708 |
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Love and profit.
I don't doubt for a moment that the designers are mostly thrilled to do their jobs every day, but they also have to make the items affordable (which has all kinds of connotations about weight, material(s), colors, accessories and so on). That has to pass muster with corporate, who will be the ones to deliver downers to the designers (let's hypothetically say the decision to retool Duke's face was too costly, so corporate said "you gotta work with what we have," and that's the only reason we get o-face Duke). Wrap that all up in deadlines in order to make sure the factories are booked and set up to roll these out? Love is definitely a part of why customs folk do what they do, but you're also prioritizing the things you want, aren't moved by cost (as much), don't have deadlines to meet, and don't have anyone telling you to spend less (barring spouses who have seen the receipts, heh). Hasbro has all those things constraining them. All that said, I really like the retro packaging of this line, but yeah, not a huge fan of the sculpts. I don't have the deep line knowledge y'all do, and my wish is simply "as close to the product as when I was a kid." It's my $15/pop midlife crisis. Quote:
A customizer doesn't need to justify additional costs and labor. It's just that simple.
You want an additional shade of brown on the camo? I'll grab a bottle of the Tamiya, Vallejo or Citadel paints at the hobby shop. I want to make the leg armor look more substantial? I can spend a whole afternoon chopping up some Zoid or Gundam model kits with my Dremel and Exacto to kitbash some shapes. Does the figure need a really cool sort of cape swept over one shoulder? I'll just mix up some green stuff epoxy and handbuild it. Hmm. The left arm should look more techno-organic..I've got a beat up Marvel Legends Colossus that my dog savaged, so I can just use that left arm. Easy peasy! That whole process when you try to turn that into particular parts choices, paint apps, or custom gear starts getting pricy very fast when you scale it up for factory manufacture. When you are looking at a line that is already on life support and supported by only one store? That squeezes the penny even harder.. At least it's still selling well, when it is put on the pegs. I have never seen the carded Joes last for more than 1 week on the pegs. Too bad the distribution is crap.
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04-02-2021, 11:23 PM | #7709 |
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I'll take the Ult CC torso, arms and gloves all day. They are properly proportioned and that is the Sunbow look anyway. Even the current W3 CC doesn't match that card art. The figure has gloved hands, but the card art shows ungloved hands. Looks like Hasbro got it wrong too.
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04-03-2021, 12:35 AM | #7710 |
Reptilian Ninja
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They could have but we don't know why they didn't. Any number of reasons could be why they did not use Ultimate SS as the figure for the retro Storm Shadow. Lost mold, broken mold and did not want to invest more in fixing it or making a new one, etc. We look at it from a collector's view not a business view. Hell, they could have just did the retro line because they wanted to do something but did not want to invest a ton of money in it and all the molds they used were ready. Lucky we got anything at all and they could have just let it go. Another thing to consider is they used the retro line as a sort of gauge or even a jumpstart for the Snake Eyes line.
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The thing is, except for Storm Shadow, all of those customs I posted above use parts that were used in 2015 or later. They have used some of those parts in the line already. I also didn't add extra paint apps. The costs should be the same to mass produce those figures vs. the ones we got. It just seems that this line was put together by people that don't have extensive knowledge about 4" Modern Era Joes. This line could have been a knockout with the right builds on those cards. Too bad it's not.
At least it's still selling well, when it is put on the pegs. I have never seen the carded Joes last for more than 1 week on the pegs. Too bad the distribution is crap.
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