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07-27-2016, 11:31 PM | #11 |
Bald Master
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Seriously, Mask size (2.5"?) would make more sense than 6". But I won't be getting either. 1/18 or bust.
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07-28-2016, 12:14 AM | #12 |
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I love people who are so absolute on the issue of scale,
First of all, I am so pleased with the professional, mature and pragmatic point of view and opinion. At the risk of insulting people here, this is refreshing and rare. Thank you for your observation, speculation and coverage. Back to scale: for me, I grew up with painted head and flocked head 12" GI Joes. I didn't follow the Super Joe line (Mego scale) because I was aging out of toys at that time. As an adult, I discovered the ARAH bring joes when I went to TRU to buy my new born son a yellow Tonka dump truck. I was instantly sold on the scale and the various characters. I didn't buy into GI Joe Extreme because of lack of articulation. I thought the Sgt Savage line was cool because I am an old fan of Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos comics. Sigma Six is brilliant: excellent for kids, interchangeable functional accessories, and great sculpts. I love the Legends/Black series scale because larger figures are carrying the detail and articulation well, and the cross play with Marvel Universe characters and Star Wars, even DC, are potentially extending sales and appealing to Parents and kids. Sideshow is my centerpiece line, and ended too soon. we need that back. Guys, think about your favorite characters in 1:18 scale, and imagine it in 6" format. This will have legs, and save the mythos of GI Joe.
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07-28-2016, 12:50 AM | #13 |
Crimson Guard
Join Date: Feb 2007
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I agree about Character selection being an issue going forward. The brand does need to move forward with new concepts and ideas.The new sculpt era did much better in terms of new character selection. It can be accomplished in the Modern era. The trouble seems to be lack of a movie/cartoon. I'm thankful that TRU is still carrying a GI JOE line at all. Hasbro has been It's own worst enemy over the last few years in terms of time tables. Retaliation is a great example of a failed opportunity to build GI JOE into a core brand once again.
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07-28-2016, 12:55 AM | #14 |
Crimson Guard
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Des Moines
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I appreciate the attempt at a fandom update, but I greatly disagree with this concept of 'needs new scale' some people state in a manner that the opinion is tantamount to fact.
I LOVE Joe. I have well over 300 Modern Era Joes, and the same for Marvel 4". I understand that there is some GREAT 6", but I didn't jump in, face first and wallet open, into a line just to give it up. I have spent too much, and worked too hard on customs, or with others, to create my ideal Joe collection. We don't need to reboot, I'd argue we need to 'redo.' The strength of the Modern Line, to me, is how it re-invents /itself,/ with new figures and versions of classic characters. Off the top of my head, dozens of characters have been redone to excellent results, but there are still dozens of characters in the mythos never in the Modern Era (Munitia, Sparks, Overkill, Overlord, Tiger Claw, Red Shadows, and so on). Sure some are obscure, but add those to the characters that could greatly use an update that pays homage to their classic design (Dusty, Nemesis Enforcer, Serpentor, Kamakura, Tomax and Xamot), characters who have a presence but that could be redone 'better'. More importantly, Hasbro needs to get stuff out there that... Let's be blunt; in my opinion, doesn't suck, and the work that doesn't suck needs to not drop off. Retaliation made money, and while not perfect, it certainly was much better than the first movie. A lot of the IDW Joe comics tried the Marvel reboot/seasonal and event route, and kinda suffered, and some of the writing was just off, which is the 'obvious' reason that series ended. Furthermore, most like Renegades, but as the Hub was hardly a widespread bastion of popularity, Joe just got dropped along with most others, with only Transformers and MLP really having any staying power. So, my opinion, if we want Joe to work; Don't suck, don't give up, and don't stop. Keep what works, do more of that, and keep at it. Kind of baseline 'advice,' but it's how I see it, I suppose. Last edited by NaytNavare; 07-28-2016 at 12:58 AM.. |
07-28-2016, 01:05 AM | #15 |
Red Shadows Officer
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Citizen of the world
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I'm just fine with a 6" line, as long as they keep the 4" figures as well. I could easily see myself buying both scales.
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07-28-2016, 02:55 AM | #16 |
Cobra Viper
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Planet Earth
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Yeah, I don't begrudge people's desire for a 6" line, though I'm only in it for the 4" figures. There are still some figures I'd like to see done properly (e.g., Serpentor, and various other characters that were done poorly as cheap repaints or poorly in general...Monkeywrench, Cutter, Wet Suit...). If Hasbro moves in another direction, that's fine...I'm happy with what they've released so far, and I'm good with the collection I have.
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07-28-2016, 03:28 AM | #17 |
Soldier of Misfortune
Join Date: Apr 2016
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I don't think the 4'' inch scale is at risk of dying, or losing appeal to collectors. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing new entries into the field like Marauder Task Force, Vitruvian HACKS, or Eagle Force Returns, to name just a few, as well as the continued success of Power Team Elite, The Corps!, and True Heroes (and the limping-along of Elite Force)--not to mention the continued production of countless dollar-store brands. The scale itself is very well established, and if anything, is only diversifying. I think G.I. Joe's slow descent into irrelevance is due to Hasbro just not doing a good job of managing the brand. Part of this problem, I think, is actually assuming that it is primarily collectors that will be buying the product--hence so much recent emphasis on convention exclusives and the FSS, rather than retail product--and not the general toy-buying public. Remember that the original G.I. Joe was, first and foremost, a kids' line, designed to be sold to a mass audience; and I think Hasbro needs to make attempts to return to appealing to this demographic if they want to be able to expand their consumer base, rather than simply looking for new ways to milk the collectors' market. Remember how Star Wars got split into the "Black" series, with more detailed expensive figures, and then the simpler, more affordable figure assortments that are more mass-market friendly? It's been a very successful strategy (though admittedly Star Wars is a stronger brand to begin with). They have been doing similar with Marvel, notwithstanding the 2.5'' figures they've been pushing recently. I think G.I. Joe might need to go a similar route as with Star Wars--sticking to the same scale and general compatibility, but producing simpler, more rugged figures priced towards kids (but hopefully still appealing to adults), and detailed, elaborate figures specifically for collectors. That way, we get the best of both worlds--increased market share for the brand (by appealing to kids again), and not abandoning the collectors like us who love the current product.
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07-28-2016, 06:35 AM | #18 |
Cobra Viper
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Somwhere
Posts: 254
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I would buy ZERO six inch figures. On the other hand I buy EVERY 4" figure.
While I agree that GI Joe needs a fresh start and that may entail something that's not compatible with our beloved right scale Joes, another kid unfriendly collectors line is not the way to go about it! I honestly believe switching scales for the sake of switching scales is a band-aid that would hurt the line in the long run. The first couple waves would be hot and then the new casual collectors would grow bored and stop. Casual Jim won't pay $20 for Blowtorch. Who's that? And he doesn't need another Snake-Eyes, there's been one in every wave. Meanwhile 6" Completist Steve can't find Ahsok. . . I mean Lady Jaye because there's 12 pegs of Blowtorches. And 4" Matt is just pissed all around because he's supported the line since 1982 and now the figures are a different scale. Noone wins. If I were designing a reboot I'd go with the Adventure Team. Realistic military isn't going to work anymore. I'd mix in a little Centurions and have swappable parts and armor. Joe Colton, Rugged Land Adventurer! Mike Powers, Air Adventurer! Jane, The Sea Adventurer! Swap their armor, weapons, and even body parts! Fight dinosaurs, go to outer space, get nuts. Some kind of crazy bad guy (Gor and the Terrons?)! Make the whole thing a grand super heroic adventure. Save the Earth from evil, help people, find treasure, all sorts of things. And a cartoon. A major relaunch without a cartoon is doomed. And it's got to be good. No slapped together garbage. Put a cartoon on CARTOON NETWORK or NICKELODEON and kids will at least give it a chance. If they like it they'll be drawn to the toys. Many things have changed, this has not. If it works then put more content on the web! Free mobile games! Look at the Ninja Turtles. THAT'S how you do it right. Meanwhile give us crochety old guys our tiny collectors line. Slap the Club and make them straighten up. Hell throw out a 6" COMPANION line, but don't turn your back on the guys who are still holding on. Make more movies, and put the old cartoon back on Netflix. Leave Larry's book alone but kick IDW in the butt and restart their modern line. GI Joe can be everything to everyone but the FOUNDATION has to be the kids. And Marvel Legends is not going to draw in the kids. Neither is POC. You have to cater to THEM. They are where the money is at. And when were all dead from stress, liquor, and nachos they're the ones who will keep this whole thing going. |
07-28-2016, 08:37 AM | #19 |
Cobra Viper
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Location: RI
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I would buy ZERO six inch figures. On the other hand I buy EVERY 4" figure.
While I agree that GI Joe needs a fresh start and that may entail something that's not compatible with our beloved right scale Joes, another kid unfriendly collectors line is not the way to go about it! I honestly believe switching scales for the sake of switching scales is a band-aid that would hurt the line in the long run. The first couple waves would be hot and then the new casual collectors would grow bored and stop. Casual Jim won't pay $20 for Blowtorch. Who's that? And he doesn't need another Snake-Eyes, there's been one in every wave. Meanwhile 6" Completist Steve can't find Ahsok. . . I mean Lady Jaye because there's 12 pegs of Blowtorches. And 4" Matt is just pissed all around because he's supported the line since 1982 and now the figures are a different scale. Noone wins. And forget about a HISS Tank, a VAMP, or even a FANG. The cost would be simply prohibitive.
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07-28-2016, 12:34 PM | #20 |
Cobra Viper
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If there are 6" Joes, I won't be getting them. My Joe collection is in the 4" scale. I would feel no need to start over, there are other things to collect.
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