[hahoo3]

These are going to be awesome! Good thing, Boss Fight is around, because I think Hasbro is going to slowing stop producing Joe figures.

[flash70]

So we are getting great eagle force figures soon and hasbro can't get any joes on the retail shelves.

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by Dragasses

I don't think anymore so than g.i. joe.

Quite a bit more so, IMO.

Name the black guy "Sgt. Brown?"

The Hispanic guy wears a sombrero and the Italian guy is a mobster? "Stonewall" the "big hillbilly redneck?"

Spirit was about as bad as G.I. Joe got, and he was still given a filecard that treated his Native American ethnicity with respect. Eagle Force looks like..."What if they'd named Stalker "Captain Black?""

Don't get me wrong...at the time they could get away with it (Though it's interesting that one Website I looked at mentioned that one bad-guy character in particular proved difficult to market because of the stereotype he presented), but in the context of modern society, well...it's not too surprising seeing which characters have a KIA or MIA next to them.

Still looking forward to it, as I'm sure Boss Fight will do a great job. But yeah....

[Raw Dog]

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1

Quite a bit more so, IMO.

Name the black guy "Sgt. Brown?"

The Hispanic guy wears a sombrero and the Italian guy is a mobster? "Stonewall" the "big hillbilly redneck?"

Spirit was about as bad as G.I. Joe got, and he was still given a filecard that treated his Native American ethnicity with respect. Eagle Force looks like..."What if they'd named Stalker "Captain Black?""

Don't get me wrong...at the time they could get away with it (Though it's interesting that one Website I looked at mentioned that one bad-guy character in particular proved difficult to market because of the stereotype he presented), but in the context of modern society, well...it's not too surprising seeing which characters have a KIA or MIA next to them.

Still looking forward to it, as I'm sure Boss Fight will do a great job. But yeah....

You're forgeting the Asian martial arts expert Quick Kick, the confederate flag wearing country boy Cross Country, the blonde haired/ blue eyed leader Duke, the Australian biker gang, and so forth and so on.

I have no problem with stereotypes. I'm intelligent enough to know that not all Italians are in the mob and have first hand knowledge to attest to the fact that not every Mexican wears a sombrero.

I must confess though, I do know quite a few African Americans with the last name Brown. Not sure if that's a stereotype though or maybe just a common last name.

[cobracobra]

I kinda shat my trousers with this. Eagle Force is a great property with many characters that mirror GI JOE. Look forward to collecting these bad boys.

[themidnightdoctor]

These could be great.I dont think $20-$25 bucks a piece great but great nonetheless.

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by Raw Dog

You're forgeting the Asian martial arts expert Quick Kick, the confederate flag wearing country boy Cross Country, the blonde haired/ blue eyed leader Duke, the Australian biker gang, and so forth and so on.

Quick Kick was a Bruce Lee homage (with a side of Jackie Chan).

Blonde-haired and blue-eyed isn't a stereotype, though it is the "standard leading man" of 80's cartoon series...however the trope was still pretty much in its' infancy when Duke came around.

The Australian Biker Gang was an homage to Mad Max, not a stereotype. Last I'd heard, Australians weren't generally stereotyped as motorcycle gang members, but maybe I'm mistaken (nevermind that they weren't Australian at all in the comics).

And that's a handful of examples across a line that encompasses hundreds of characters, including several that are blatantly designed to avoid stereotypes rather than enforce them.

Eagle Force...it's nearly half or more of the line.

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I have no problem with stereotypes. I'm intelligent enough to know that not all Italians are in the mob and have first hand knowledge to attest to the fact that not every Mexican wears a sombrero.

Sure. But could you say the same thing about your 5 year old self?

I rather doubt it.

Again, don't mistake me...for the time it was still a very diverse line, as "diversity" was indeed dominated by stereotypes back then (Let's not forget the "Multicultural pals" on Superfriends). Joe just did, on the whole, a far better job of averting stereotypes rather than enforcing them. Eagle Force may have been able to do the same if it'd continued long enough, but the codenames and designs in many cases gave them a comparatively more difficult start on that particular score.

But again, in a modern context it's a bit of a "whoo...yeah that so wouldn't fly on mass retail shelves these days."

[Raw Dog]

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1

Quick Kick was a Bruce Lee homage (with a side of Jackie Chan).

Blonde-haired and blue-eyed isn't a stereotype, though it is the "standard leading man" of 80's cartoon series...however the trope was still pretty much in its' infancy when Duke came around.

The Australian Biker Gang was an homage to Mad Max, not a stereotype. Last I'd heard, Australians weren't generally stereotyped as motorcycle gang members, but maybe I'm mistaken (nevermind that they weren't Australian at all in the comics).

And that's a handful of examples across a line that encompasses hundreds of characters, including several that are blatantly designed to avoid stereotypes rather than enforce them.

Eagle Force...it's nearly half or more of the line.



Sure. But could you say the same thing about your 5 year old self?

I rather doubt it.

Again, don't mistake me...for the time it was still a very diverse line, as "diversity" was indeed dominated by stereotypes back then (Let's not forget the "Multicultural pals" on Superfriends).

But again, in a modern context it's a bit of a "whoo...yeah that so wouldn't fly on mass retail shelves these days."

Are you arguing that Asians aren't stereotyped as knowing Martial Arts or just that Quick Kick isn't in your opinion a stereotype?

To that I would argue that Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan are part of the reason the stereotype exists.

As far as my five year old self is concerned, I didn't think every black person had electricity powers. I also knew that not all Mexicans wore sombreros. The ones that did were special, either because they fought crime, or because they were rodents with super speed.

Stereotypes aren't always a bad thing. Especially when they highlight ethnic heritages in a positive light.

Kids see characters on the screen doing heroic things, I think it's beneficial to society if the link those actions to a specific race they may have previously felt skiddish about. That way we can tear down barriers more quickly than with heroes of an indeterminate ethnic background.

Your five year old point is moot though. So is your stereotypes not flying I'm today's market place point. These toys are targeted towards adults and you already said you're buying them.

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by Raw Dog

Are you arguing that Asians aren't stereotyped as knowing Martial Arts or just that Quick Kick isn't in your opinion a stereotype?

To that I would argue that Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan are part of the reason the stereotype exists.

As far as my five year old self is concerned, I didn't think every black person had electricity powers. I also knew that not all Mexicans wore sombreros. The ones that did were special, either because they fought crime, or because they were rodents with super speed.

Stereotypes aren't always a bad thing. Especially when they highlight ethnic heritages in a positive light.

Kids see characters on the screen doing heroic things, I think it's beneficial to society if the link those actions to a specific race they may have previously felt skiddish about. That way we can tear down barriers more quickly than with heroes of an indeterminate ethnic background.

Your five year old point is moot though. So is your stereotypes not flying I'm today's market place point. These toys are targeted towards adults and you already said you're buying them.

Didn't realize you owned stock in Eagle Force/Boss Fight there, buddy. Cool your jets.

By all means, go market your sombrero-wearing Mexican-American character and try to tell people, "It's OK because he's being heroic!" I'm sure you'll find TONS of success...

Or, you know...not.

[C.I.A.D.]

Guys...let's move away from the racially fueled discussion.

Thanks

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Moving on, here is concept art of Modern Captain Eagle that was shared by General Joes. Absolutely awesome!