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03-19-2013, 05:25 PM | #51 |
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Personally, instead of something based on anything real-world (or imagined like the Macross stuff), I'd rather see a design that works as a toy first.
Instead of trying to make a homage design into a toy (or maybe in this case an animated model), why not start from scratch and come up with something new? I love the Sky Striker update we got. Yes, it could use a couple tweaks to make it better but if we are going to get a new bird then why not make it truly new? As an aside, did we ever find out how well the 30th Sky Striker actually did at it's time in retail? Were the numbers really that good to lead to the Tomahawk? I remember a lot of people saying the Sky Striker was a shelf warmer and they have been on clearance but was that just a bunch of internet hoopla? I like the renderings a LOT. They do look more geared toward an appearance in a comic book and less like toy concepts, though |
03-19-2013, 05:43 PM | #52 |
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No, and the odds are that we never will. Hasbro doesn't give specific sales info out and only answers in vague generalities if they ever do give an answer in regards to sales success.
The Eaglehawk pretty much answers that. The "clearance" Sky Strikers were from the stock meant for Walmart, which initially ordered, then cancelled it. The fact that it sold at retail above its MSRP for almost two years before the back stock was discounted means that it did VERY well. The brazillion dollar question is how many Sky Strikers were actually sold to kids and how many to collectors...? Ah, who am I kidding...? Hasbro loves army builders. Now Atkins needs to make a re-designed RATTLER. Talk about something in dire need of an update... |
03-19-2013, 06:26 PM | #53 |
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While all the designs look great, the swept forward wing version looks more favorable as an updated Conquest. The Resolute Skystriker design was perfect, and the F-35 would work as a great update to the Skystriker as well.
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03-20-2013, 02:20 AM | #54 |
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I think you overlooked the x-29 first flight in 1984 so development way before that.
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03-20-2013, 03:03 PM | #55 |
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Hasbro, if you do plan on releasing this new jet sometime within the next two years; you might as well come up with a new Dragonfly (..two seater) helicopter based off the AH-1W Super Cobra Helicopter (.. if you make this helicopter look right, and make sure that it fits two figures)! -You do some of these thing I mentioned for this helicopter & it will sell (..no more Rise of Cobra GI Joe Dragonhawk XH1 type helicopters; this helicopter was a let down for me. It was a one seater & too damn small)! The Dragonfly toy helicopter from the Sunbow days was the sh*t; I think the majority of collectors are waiting on something similar for these modern era Gi Joe figures (..no revamped Sunbow toy Dragonfly please; something totally new please but similiar to the old mold)! 21st Century toys made a 1/18 scale replica of the Ah-1w Super Cobra (..man is this helicopter awesome); you could make a helicopter similar to this one! -Just scale it down a bit (..the 1/18 21st Century ah-1w Super Cobra helicopter is pretty big) for these modern era Gi Joe figures!
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03-20-2013, 03:24 PM | #56 |
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Joe toys need to go this direction lol...wow that is incredible looking...now only if it turns to Battroid/Gerwalk I can shell out more $$$
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03-20-2013, 05:58 PM | #57 |
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I think the 2009 Dragonhawk was a fine update of the Dragonfly. Yeah, it could have been bigger and the nose gun could have been more elaborate. However, I think it fits the role of a Joe smaller attack chopper. I could see it being in a new cartoon and having various Joes flying them. I think the Night Attack Chopper is one of the best Joe helicopters. It's intimidating and has a ton of play features.
I like the idea of designing something as a toy first, or at least taking into account what would work well as a toy. I feel like too many toys today are designed first as sculptures with articulation thrown in. Hence why they don't have good range of motion with their articulation. There's something to be said about applying engineering concepts to a toy as it's being developed instead of after. |
03-20-2013, 11:22 PM | #58 |
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BTW guys I don't want to kill your hopes of a toy being made of this, but at this point I haven't heard that this is planned for a toy. Even if it is made as a toy eventually, I would hope Atkins is able to provide supervision to the design team, and that the budget is big enough to take all of his suggestions into consideration. I say that because at one point, Don Figueroa's designs were made into Transformers Titaniums figures. and he didn't have complete control over how they would turn out. Suffice to say, the toys were hit and miss. A lot of Transformers fans wanted a toy of his War Within Optimus Prime but the figure did not turn out well, worse can be said for the Megatron that came out at the same time. Quote:
I think the 2009 Dragonhawk was a fine update of the Dragonfly. Yeah, it could have been bigger and the nose gun could have been more elaborate. However, I think it fits the role of a Joe smaller attack chopper. I could see it being in a new cartoon and having various Joes flying them. I think the Night Attack Chopper is one of the best Joe helicopters. It's intimidating and has a ton of play features.
I like the idea of designing something as a toy first, or at least taking into account what would work well as a toy. I feel like too many toys today are designed first as sculptures with articulation thrown in. Hence why they don't have good range of motion with their articulation. There's something to be said about applying engineering concepts to a toy as it's being developed instead of after. The NAC is not only one of the best Joe Copters but one of the best Joe vehicles IMO. They don't make vehicles like that anymore, not to mention, it was all new at the time. There are only a few stand out "new sculpt" vehicles from 02-06 and that was definitely one of them. To see Wild Bill go from the Dragonfly...to THAT...that's damn impressive. The gimmicks were cool too. 3 figures in the cockpit, front seat could fold, 5-6 figures able to fit in the back, wings closed for a stealthy high speed mode, wings open for enemy decimation, synced rotating missle launchers, rescue winch...it's an awesome toy. I didn't care for the sound attack gimmick but one of the guns that plugged in at least went with the design, which was rare at the time. Also, even if this current design ISN'T for a toy, who is to say that Atkins DIDN'T design this with a possible toy in mind for later on? Knowing him I bet he designed it from the get go for a possible toy later on. Sure it would be simplified, like maybe a 1 piece canopy, not as many panel lines, et al, but again, so long as the budget is big enough to take all of his suggestions into consideration, who knows? |
03-21-2013, 07:31 AM | #59 |
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Personally....
I am not feeling this as a toy, not knowing how sketches usually translate to production plastic notwithstanding. These are my personal opinions, and please understand that I'm one of those that enjoys more plausiblity in my vehicles: 1) I agree that the vertical stabilizers are too small, but is easily fixable 2) I agree that the canopy should be one-piece. 3) The wing design makes no sense to me. I do not recall any supersonic design that incorporates a wing that reverses it's sweep, mid aspect. How do you even make that wing structurally sound? It looks like it has active sweeping like the F-14, but has missile pylons on the sweeped portion?? ???? It makes me shrug my shoulders. I might pass it up because of this alone. 4) From the look of it, this would be an advanced Generation 4 aircraft or Gen 4+. We already have the XP-21F to fit this role on the Joe Side. I would rather they revisit the Thunderwing F-22, SkyStriker II (YF-23), or the F-35B. my suggestions? I would go with a simple canard/delta-wing design that folds up mid-wing for storage/display and then put a Cobra symbol on it. Not knowing much about all these other lines and the homages/influences that may have inpired Mr Atkins in this piece, this does look to me like something that would be much better understood by people who follow those type of things, ie: not the general Joe-buying public.
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