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12-18-2008, 07:27 PM | #291 |
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TF/PP. urph. I just threw up in my mouth.
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12-18-2008, 07:28 PM | #292 |
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Edited. read something wrong, my mistake
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12-18-2008, 08:04 PM | #293 |
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Hasbro made a broad statement that can apply to their making any and every figure in the Joe line whenever they see fit, and you are narrowing it to apply to your own preferences. but, for the sake of argument, how do you account for Ripcord. everyone is crying about him, but by your own criteria, with only 1 figure made he really can't be considered that important. is his comic appearances greater than other characters from later years that were in the comics who also had just one figure? not significantly. but he is from the early 80's, so his role is exaggerated, and thus more 80's egocentricity.
You bring up Ripcord. I would argue that Ripcord did have a big role in the comic (Bongo the bear, one-on-one with Zartan on Cobra island, etc), and made quite a few, albeit secondary appearances in the cartoon. And Wallace Weems had more than one figure, they just inexplicably called him Halo Jumper instead of Ripcord. So, yes, Ripcord does also fit as another iconic character (at least more iconic compared to Shockwave) that is often requested but ignored. His is a special case though, as it is assumed he isn't being made into a 25th figure due to the African American movie version coming out soon. So, no, it's not 80's egotism, merely Hasbro in general trying to recreate the stuff that made 3.75" Joe the powerhouse toy line it was back then at it's peak. I don't think you could argue that it's peak as a marketed brand was in 1988. It was clearly before then. Preference will always be given to the early characters, in general. Thus the confusion of the few early guys that have been thusfar left out. If you like the later years better, more power to you, but no reason to be surprised when a big chunk of fans clamor for the figures that have been around longer and have a bigger following. Hasbro, despite opinions floated around this site daily, is not stupid. Bigger following/higher recognition = higher sales. If you're holding out for a 25th "1992 DEF Bullet-Proof", prepare to be an old man when it arrives. Last edited by nacho; 12-18-2008 at 08:06 PM.. |
12-18-2008, 08:56 PM | #294 |
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FFS people, if you don't like the fuckin TF line, then don't fuckin buy it, PERIOD! All your bitching and bashing Hasbro will not stop them from doing what they feel is right and best for their firm.
I among many collectors and fans, are thankful that the 25th line has made it this far for something that was originally intended for celebrating its 25th year of ARAH. |
12-18-2008, 10:50 PM | #295 |
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FFS people, if you don't like the fuckin TF line, then don't fuckin buy it, PERIOD! All your bitching and bashing Hasbro will not stop them from doing what they feel is right and best for their firm.
I among many collectors and fans, are thankful that the 25th line has made it this far for something that was originally intended for celebrating its 25th year of ARAH. You go girl friend! Are we allowed to feel indifferent?
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FFS people, if you don't like the fuckin TF line, then don't fuckin buy it, PERIOD! All your bitching and bashing Hasbro will not stop them from doing what they feel is right and best for their firm.
I among many collectors and fans, are thankful that the 25th line has made it this far for something that was originally intended for celebrating its 25th year of ARAH.
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12-19-2008, 12:02 AM | #297 |
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I'm not narrowing it, merely applying their statement about figure selection to the character you mention from later years (Shockwave) vs another character that's often brought up from the early years (Recondo). Shockwave was too late to appear in the cartoon. I honestly can't recall Shockwave appearing in more than one comic (one of the later issues of Special Missions) but I'm sure someone can find another. Regardless, I defy you to find evidence that he's in any way "iconic" to the Joe brand. Don't get me wrong, I like the character and figure, and I'm glad they are making him, but I can't exactly define him as being a big important part of the Joe mythos.
You bring up Ripcord. I would argue that Ripcord did have a big role in the comic (Bongo the bear, one-on-one with Zartan on Cobra island, etc), and made quite a few, albeit secondary appearances in the cartoon. And Wallace Weems had more than one figure, they just inexplicably called him Halo Jumper instead of Ripcord. So, yes, Ripcord does also fit as another iconic character (at least more iconic compared to Shockwave) that is often requested but ignored. His is a special case though, as it is assumed he isn't being made into a 25th figure due to the African American movie version coming out soon. So, no, it's not 80's egotism, merely Hasbro in general trying to recreate the stuff that made 3.75" Joe the powerhouse toy line it was back then at it's peak. I don't think you could argue that it's peak as a marketed brand was in 1988. It was clearly before then. Preference will always be given to the early characters, in general. Thus the confusion of the few early guys that have been thusfar left out. If you like the later years better, more power to you, but no reason to be surprised when a big chunk of fans clamor for the figures that have been around longer and have a bigger following. Hasbro, despite opinions floated around this site daily, is not stupid. Bigger following/higher recognition = higher sales. If you're holding out for a 25th "1992 DEF Bullet-Proof", prepare to be an old man when it arrives. but there are plenty of other pre-87 characters that fall in this category that fans clamor for - Airtight, Alpine, Quick Kick, Snow Job, Doc, and many more, who only got one figure but are apparently deemed more important. the only reason -- because those were the characters they grew up with in the early 80's, and the characters created for kids who got into the line later as we (the early 80's fans) got out aren't as highly regarded simply because they aren't "our" characters. too bad I say. these later characters are just as relevant. |
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12-19-2008, 12:36 AM | #298 |
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12-19-2008, 12:55 AM | #299 |
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-- because those were the characters they grew up with in the early 80's, and the characters created for kids who got into the line later as we (the early 80's fans) got out aren't as highly regarded simply because they aren't "our" characters. too bad I say. these later characters are just as relevant.
Bottom line, the early characters in general are far more popular, and they will always be the most requested, and often be the first made due to their popularity and longevity in the mythos. This does not make those early fans wrong, egotistic, or ignorant about other Joe eras. |
12-19-2008, 01:01 AM | #300 |
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I agree that not every early character is important. I'd much rather have a 25th Shockwave than 25th Tollbooth. I like many characters from the later years, even ones that I've discovered as an adult that came out after I stopped collecting as a kid. I just recently bought a MOC Bullhorn and MOC Freefall. They seem like interesting characters. However, I'm under no delusion that they are important, iconic, or worthy of a 25th figure, at least not in front of tons of other characters.
Bottom line, the early characters in general are far more popular, and they will always be the most requested, and often be the first made due to their popularity and longevity in the mythos. This does not make those early fans wrong, egotistic, or ignorant about other Joe eras. |
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