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05-25-2011, 03:58 PM | #31 |
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That's a cool old man, BC of him we all have heros to look up to.
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05-25-2011, 04:01 PM | #32 |
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Possibly the difference between being brought up in an era of a volunteer Army, instead of a drafted Army. With the characters Hama started with many of whom were originally from the Vietnam era, and his own personal experience, service in the military had little to do with enlisting for an ideology.
So while he was trying to convey soldiers fighting for each other, he was doing it in an era where soldiers enlisted of their own free will, or atleast as an option to avoid jail time and a record in some cases. The Joes weren't fighting solely to make sure their buddy got home from the jungle, and their own survival. Basically, poor execution on his part as a writer. With the exception of the SE origin setting any of the Joes could have left when their enlistment or commitment was up. In addition, Joe isn't exactly a standard enlistment track, it would require seeking out many of the specialties that are requisite in Joe. It's not like you are forced to go Airborne, Ranger, SEAL, or SF. The experience, and motivations of a drafted enlisted man during a war, and that of the Joes in the 80's would have been different. What he was trying to convey would have been better delivered in a vehicle like The 'Nam, or the old pulp style War comics. Ironically, the fact that he completely missed the mark in what he was conveying is part of what is to blame for the behavior you are trying to put down. Had he used a different setting, or vehicle he would have been able to more effectively convey his ideals. Otherwise he should have made all the Joes disgruntled about how their recruiters deceived them, or how they regretted taking the judges offer to serve 4 years and have their record expunged instead of serving the sentence that was handed down. Then have them bail as soon as they were allowed. |
05-26-2011, 06:48 AM | #33 |
We get insurance, right?
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No problem.
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05-27-2011, 08:55 PM | #34 |
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this man is a workhorse....he's inspiring...he really is.
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05-27-2011, 09:00 PM | #35 |
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I'll never get tired of interviews with Mr. Hama. He's one of my favorite comic book guys ever. I really hope he does get a chance to do a Donald Duck or Uncle Scrooge story someday like he's always wanted.
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05-27-2011, 09:02 PM | #36 |
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A Hama Scrooge story would be awesome. I always loved Scrooge McDuck!
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05-27-2011, 09:33 PM | #37 |
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Possibly the difference between being brought up in an era of a volunteer Army, instead of a drafted Army. With the characters Hama started with many of whom were originally from the Vietnam era, and his own personal experience, service in the military had little to do with enlisting for an ideology.
So while he was trying to convey soldiers fighting for each other, he was doing it in an era where soldiers enlisted of their own free will, or atleast as an option to avoid jail time and a record in some cases. The Joes weren't fighting solely to make sure their buddy got home from the jungle, and their own survival. Basically, poor execution on his part as a writer. With the exception of the SE origin setting any of the Joes could have left when their enlistment or commitment was up. In addition, Joe isn't exactly a standard enlistment track, it would require seeking out many of the specialties that are requisite in Joe. It's not like you are forced to go Airborne, Ranger, SEAL, or SF. The experience, and motivations of a drafted enlisted man during a war, and that of the Joes in the 80's would have been different. What he was trying to convey would have been better delivered in a vehicle like The 'Nam, or the old pulp style War comics. Ironically, the fact that he completely missed the mark in what he was conveying is part of what is to blame for the behavior you are trying to put down. Had he used a different setting, or vehicle he would have been able to more effectively convey his ideals. Otherwise he should have made all the Joes disgruntled about how their recruiters deceived them, or how they regretted taking the judges offer to serve 4 years and have their record expunged instead of serving the sentence that was handed down. Then have them bail as soon as they were allowed. I think this is the reason George Lucas makes so few appearances. He does not want to repeat himself. Perhaps if Larry Hama had created GIJOE from scratch, and not been the last in the room, and had not already designed his own special mission force which he used as a resource when building GIJOE, then his attitude would have been different. I mean imagine if you created a universe of characters from scratch, like he had with Fury Force and then along comes this group of execs with an idea just like yours only they have more money and power and can make their idea happen. I would not throw all my heart into it and love it like I would have my own idea either. The guy just got wrapped up in something that he thought would last a year at most because it was a toy based comic and they didn't last long. Then it exploded and now has lasted 30 years. His dream was to write ducks or space rabbits. His dream wasn't GIJOE. It is nice to see that he has been willing to stay this long given those circumstances.
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05-27-2011, 10:07 PM | #38 |
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but Hama did have another vehicle, he was editor on the Nam and wrote Nth man, or was that what you meant?
I think this is the reason George Lucas makes so few appearances. He does not want to repeat himself. Perhaps if Larry Hama had created GIJOE from scratch, and not been the last in the room, and had not already designed his own special mission force which he used as a resource when building GIJOE, then his attitude would have been different. I mean imagine if you created a universe of characters from scratch, like he had with Fury Force and then along comes this group of execs with an idea just like yours only they have more money and power and can make their idea happen. I would not throw all my heart into it and love it like I would have my own idea either. The guy just got wrapped up in something that he thought would last a year at most because it was a toy based comic and they didn't last long. Then it exploded and now has lasted 30 years. His dream was to write ducks or space rabbits. His dream wasn't GIJOE. It is nice to see that he has been willing to stay this long given those circumstances. Part of that is because the Joes weren't really in that position. No one forced them into service, or even into that unit. Each Joes ticket home could have been at the end of each hitch, yet they kept willingly signing up. Kind of hard to take the "I'm just fighting to get me and my buddies home" angle with a group of characters who keep coming back for more. If they didn't believe in what they were doing, they could have left. With the characters in The 'Nam they had fewer options as to how they got home. Honestly, as great of a book The 'Nam was I wish he had gotten to write it now. He would have been able to tell the story he was trying to tell in Joe in that book much more precisely. As far as his work on Joe, while I'm a big fan of the early couple of years, I definitely give him credit for doing what he did. Having to constantly work in characters, bring them to life, and come up with interesting stories had to be a nightmare. Nth Man was a kick ass story, but since it was based around a solo character, it wouldn't really work for that kind of story.
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05-31-2011, 08:54 PM | #39 |
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I get where you are coming from T'13, but I must disagree.
In my experience (18 years in the Navy come July and counting) everytime you deploy... whether you are happy with your circumstances or not... you develop a camraderie with those out at sea with you. Each mission (or deployment) becomes your entire universe until you get 'home.' While trapped in this microcosm among people (5k or so on the carriers I've served on) you like some, you care less about most and there are the few you loathe, but mostly, the ones you like most are the ones you band together with. GI Joe wasn't meant to be as nitty gritty as the 'Nam. But did it still have cameraderie? yes! Life and death struggles? yes! Would one member risk his life to run out into gunfire to save his buddy? constantly! Does it have to be for an an entire hitch... Or, could it be meant along the lines of a much longer period, mission after mission or deployment after deployment, tour after tour. I've done six, can't wait to go again. The folks will be different... but the sea will remain the same. the camraderie will be there, the desire to leave together and come home together will be there... and every once in awhile, while doing something on that deployment, with a couple of folks I've grown to respect and rely on... I'll look up and feel just like I'm in GI Joe. And that's why I keep going back. That's why I keep reading. That's why I'll say forevermore... I love GI Joe and thank Larry Hama and hasbro for bringing these characters who have influenced me so much, in to my life.* But hey that's just me! (*none of the above was meant to suggest that I am in anyway a bigger fan of either GI Joe or Larry Hama than my esteemed friend Trooper 13. This was merely me attempting to bring my personal experience to the table and by no means an attempt to inflame him or any other members of the 'tank. Thank you for reading.) |
06-01-2011, 07:30 AM | #40 |
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I get where you are coming from T'13, but I must disagree.
In my experience (18 years in the Navy come July and counting) everytime you deploy... whether you are happy with your circumstances or not... you develop a camraderie with those out at sea with you. Each mission (or deployment) becomes your entire universe until you get 'home.' While trapped in this microcosm among people (5k or so on the carriers I've served on) you like some, you care less about most and there are the few you loathe, but mostly, the ones you like most are the ones you band together with. GI Joe wasn't meant to be as nitty gritty as the 'Nam. But did it still have cameraderie? yes! Life and death struggles? yes! Would one member risk his life to run out into gunfire to save his buddy? constantly! Does it have to be for an an entire hitch... Or, could it be meant along the lines of a much longer period, mission after mission or deployment after deployment, tour after tour. I've done six, can't wait to go again. The folks will be different... but the sea will remain the same. the camraderie will be there, the desire to leave together and come home together will be there... and every once in awhile, while doing something on that deployment, with a couple of folks I've grown to respect and rely on... I'll look up and feel just like I'm in GI Joe. And that's why I keep going back. That's why I keep reading. That's why I'll say forevermore... I love GI Joe and thank Larry Hama and hasbro for bringing these characters who have influenced me so much, in to my life.* But hey that's just me! (*none of the above was meant to suggest that I am in anyway a bigger fan of either GI Joe or Larry Hama than my esteemed friend Trooper 13. This was merely me attempting to bring my personal experience to the table and by no means an attempt to inflame him or any other members of the 'tank. Thank you for reading.) Perhaps. I know what you mean, and have experienced it myself. However, most of the guys I served with who felt that way were the one hitch and done crowd. Not the professional soldiers. I give credit to all the guys like you who do it every day until retirement. I couldn't do it. I've got no problem with being deployed, it's the dog and pony show stateside that drove me up a wall. The tedious parts of soldiering ruined it for me. I never remember the re-up crowd giving off that vibe. However, that was a loooonnngg time ago now. My memory probably isn't what it used to be.
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