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5 - Excellent movie! | 55 | 13.68% | |
4 - Pretty good. | 126 | 31.34% | |
3 - Average, not good, not bad. | 87 | 21.64% | |
2 - Pretty bad. | 57 | 14.18% | |
1 - Terrible movie! | 77 | 19.15% | |
Voters: 402. You may not vote on this poll |
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12-10-2009, 06:08 PM | #141 |
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12-10-2009, 06:12 PM | #142 |
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Definately agree with this statement.
Staying power of RoC isn't worth discussing because that wont' be known until years from now. Let's table that one until the 50th anniversary. Any discussion about it now is pure speculation and opinion. Now, the everyda guy/gal have said that RoC is a good movie by their support via box office receipts and DVD sales. Now that isn't saying anything about actual quality, which is subjective. It's just using a factual barometer which is physical sales. Now personally, I won't spend any money on anything I think is crap regardless of what name is on it. I can't imagine anyone doing that. Now I can seen going to see the movie and not liking it afterwards, spending that money. But DVD sales have to be people that liked the movie enough to spend more money on it (except for the small percentage that are gifts, which probably isn't enough to be a factor). But there is still something to be said about sales. I know of a few movies from the past years that truly are garbage, but do ok in sales. it all comes down to time. I didnt care for ROC. but im not going to say that I wont give the second one a chance. there ARE few movies that have been better than the original. do I think the next will blow me away, and make me a "modern ROC/POC" fanboy? probably not..but I sure would LOVE for the next one to do just that. unfortunatly the characters and developments of the first movie, just make that really hard for me to believe could happen for me personnaly. I HATE....HATED tatum as duke, he'll be in the next one. " I HATED the Baroness "being good' in the end..it would be hard to turn that around for me as an indevidual. but if they made CC look more like what I like, than that greatness could overshadow the bad... I dont care what anyone here says. whether they loved or hated ROC, they WILL see the next one on opening day. Then these posts will start ALL OVER AGAIN!!!! mabye thats the new cobra commandrs goal? dominate the internet with ROC speak?
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12-10-2009, 06:14 PM | #143 |
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I like the fact that a live action GI Joe movie was finally made allot more than I liked the movie.
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12-10-2009, 06:16 PM | #144 |
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I get that, but I never said RoC needed to be 100% win to everyone. My pointis that it can be the 70-80% to most people, not just to you, but it wasn't.
Hate it all you want, but Iron Man and Dark Knight are great examples. Some hate? Sure. General consensus that the movies hit the mark? Absolutely. RoC - some hate? More than that. General consensus that it hit the mark? No where close. That's my point. Right, but Rocky's talking about the movie "hitting the mark" in terms of pleasing fans by being what fans wanted to see in a GI Joe movie, not financial success. No one can argue that the juggernaut of marketing that accompanied the movie resulted in a financial failure for Paramount and Hasbro, and I don't think anyone is. What frustrates me, is that you are forever arguing against anyone who puts down RoC despite the fact that you didn't like it either. To your points: 1. Early on many said it was too soon to tell (when it was, in fact, too soon to tell), but that's hardly arguing RoC was a financial failure. (As a note, personally, I rooted for it to succeed, despite my hate for it) 2. No one is arguing that RoC wasn't liked. Troynos liked it, as did many others. Great. I've said in so many places that it makes sense for the polls to show that it was liked, for a number of reasons. All the polls show is that while some people like the movie, there are a lot of people who hate it too, and in far greater numbers than other comic-based movies considered a success like Iron Man, Dark Knight, etc. Hardly compelling evidence that RoC wasn't a mess of a movie. 3. Again, the polls show RoC thumbs up voters ahead sure - currently a margin of 16, with 128 votes. Only 12.5% more people liked it than didn't? That's hardly a picture that paints RoC in a fantastic light. The polls show is that there's a lot of "like" for the movie, and a lot of hate for the movie, too. Additionally, people hate the movie in larger numbers than they love it. Yes, really.
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12-10-2009, 06:50 PM | #145 |
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I will continue to read and enjoy your posts. your spot on with your statements. especially pointing out the 12.5% that noone else has even thought to look at. Theres logic in your posts.. I could spend 12 billion in marketing telling people that dog poop is GREAT TASTING, and 12.5% will in fact taste it and will in fact love it..
Which still doesn't paint a very pretty picture. Name any other product where a little less than half of the surveyed people actually liked, it a full quarter of them actually hate it, and it's still considered a good product. Sure, they might market the crap out of it, dump a bunch on the masses and make a mint, but that doesn't make it any good!
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12-10-2009, 06:56 PM | #146 |
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Now, the everyda guy/gal have said that RoC is a good movie by their support via box office receipts and DVD sales.
But DVD sales have to be people that liked the movie enough to spend more money on it (except for the small percentage that are gifts, which probably isn't enough to be a factor). ...not because the movie was any good. I begged my parents to let me buy 3 Ninjas when it came out. Kids will buy anything they see a commercial for, especially if it has ninjas!
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12-10-2009, 07:01 PM | #147 |
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Well, technically, that's the difference between those who like/love it and those who dont, not the sum. Currently a little less than half of the people who voted think RoC was either pretty good or terrific.
Which still doesn't paint a very pretty picture. Name any other product where a little less than half of the surveyed people actually liked, it a full quarter of them actually hate it, and it's still considered a good product. Sure, they might market the crap out of it, dump a bunch on the masses and make a mint, but that doesn't make it any good! Is it really that hard to say "I personally didn't like it and thought it was crap but the majority of the people here thought it was pretty good" without having to add anything else? And love the way you spin it "little less then half" and "a full quarter". Those are great spin terms. The first part is making it sound worse then it is, well the second is making it sound better then it is. The marketing really only accounts for the first weekend sales, after that it's all review and word of mouth. Marketing has nothing to do with staying power in a theatre either. Land of the Lost was marketed alot, crapped out due to poor reviews and even worse word of mouth. And why doesnt' "a little less then half" not paint a pretty picture? I doubt you'll find anything where more then half agree on something. Being over "half" doesn't mean anything, it's the majority liked RoC. End of story. Let's look thru the reviews. I bet we can find some figures that are thought as good figures where "a little less then half liked it and a full quarter hated it". Can probably find a ton of movies that fit that criteria. Books. Music.
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12-10-2009, 07:02 PM | #148 |
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Hell, these posts will start up again as soon as the first news is leaked about a sequal.
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12-10-2009, 07:02 PM | #149 |
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Name any other product where a little less than half of the surveyed people actually liked, it a full quarter of them actually hate it, and it's still considered a good product. Sure, they might market the crap out of it, dump a bunch on the masses and make a mint, but that doesn't make it any good!
Likely for that reason it'd contaminate every poll we'd ever have in the future too. I'll PM with my reasoning and you can say whether I'm crazy or not. >.> |
12-10-2009, 07:06 PM | #150 |
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Except that a huge number of those tickets are a result of the marking campaign and lack of any real competition, and a huge number of those DVD sales were likely generated by kids begging mom and dad for the movie because they saw a commercial on TV and it looked awesome.
...not because the movie was any good. I begged my parents to let me buy 3 Ninjas when it came out. Kids will buy anything they see a commercial for, especially if it has ninjas! Like I said in another post, marketing accounts for opening sales but not time in the theatre and continued sales: that's reviews and word of mouth. And marketing is only good for getting the name out there, I can't imagine anyone going "hey, let's go see Rise of Cobra, I saw it on a cup at 7-11" No. The marketing will get them to say "hey, there's a new movie coming out called Rise of Cobra" and get them thinking about it and talking about it. They still have to see something, a commericial/preview/review/something, that will make them go "Hey, that's the Rise of Cobra movie I heard about, that looks pretty good" Hey, there's that "good" again.
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