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09-06-2023, 07:48 AM | #11 |
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As far as the question would G.I. JOE be better off with another studio? Yes because Lorenzo di Bonaventura would no longer be the executive producer.
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09-06-2023, 08:01 AM | #12 |
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GI Joe is tricky - it's so many different things to so many different people.
The older stuff leaned hard into the sci-fi/future-weapons silliness - the cartoons even more so than the comics. But put that on screen and the people saying it needs to be more Band Of Brothers will throw a fit. Follow a Marvel Studios formula where they slowly build a universe and people will be upset that their favourite characters were left out. Who do you even include? Everyone has a different favourite.. and it will be years, even decades, before they make it to the screen. Quick Kick? A Chuckles stand-alone film? Right now, Hasbro has too much say in their films - so any writer and director will be tied down by Hasbro's rules. But the same can be said of Marvel and Star Wars. Except GI Joe doesn't have the pull for a run of streaming series - it wouldn't get the viewership and would be cancelled before the 2nd season. A cartoon revival might work - like what Disney is doing with X-Men 97. "reboot" the classic cartoon using modern animation and storytelling, but preserving the old style of goofy story lines. As for film, I love GI Joe, but the big-screen franchise should just be left to die, instead of half-assed reboot after reboot after reboot |
09-06-2023, 10:58 AM | #13 |
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Here's the formula for a successful G.I. Joe movie: Follow the plot structure of return of the Jedi.
Return of the Jedi had 3 simultaneous stories going in the climax: 1. Trying to turn off the force shields on the Endor Moon 2. Luke and Darth and the Emperor on the Death Star fighting for Luke's soul 3. The giant space battle Lando was in with all the starships GI Joe should follow the exact formula. 1. A plot that is essentially a "heist" movie. Essentially a bunch of fun members of the team doin their thing, like how in Oceans Eleven they get a fun group of individiuals with specialties to pull off a caper. This is some group like Alpine, Bazooka, Quick-kick, Tripwire, and Tunnel Rat. Doesn't matter, but their abilities should be brought to light during the caper they evenually pull off that is essential to the success of the climax. They go up against the likes of Croc Master and Scrap Iron and Firefly in this plot thread. 2. This is the big fight with the leaders. This is Roadblock and Duke and Scarlett and Snake Eyes and Flint and Lady Jaye going up against Cobra Commander and Destro and the Baroness and Dr Mindbender. (In a sequel, this would pretty much be Serpentor) 3. Finally, we need a vehicle heavy battle happening involving all the vehicles, Joe and Cobra, that everybody wants to see. Like in Return of the Jedi, th8is wouldn't be a plot thread through the whole movie, but would be be a pivotal part of the climax. Make these three things pay off as close to each other as possible, boom, fun G.I. Joe movie. Obviously change the names around here however you like. One obvious change would be to have Flint and Lady Jaye leading the "heist" plotline, or make the heist plotline involve the Dreadnoks and then Tomax and Xamot. ETA: And of course, like star wars movies, it starts with a fun "prologue" adventure that's essentially its own mini-movie, like a James Bond or Indiana Jones movie does. A smaller sequence that feels like we're watching the climax of another movie without having to watch the beginning or middle. TL;DR: A successful G.I. Joe movie shouldn't try to be a Marvel movie, but instead take its cues from Star Wars movies and heist movies.
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09-06-2023, 07:28 PM | #14 |
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It's already been said but: The studio is irrelevant. The script and the talent/skill of the director and actors are what makes a good movie, which could happen at any studio.
Sadly for GI Joe there's no magic formula that makes a blockbuster movie successful. If there were, there'd be no blockbuster movies that weren't successful. Even blaming di Bonaventura is off the mark. He didn't write the movies, or direct them, and much less star in them. He's just one of the main money guys. Does he have say? Sure. Is there any particular evidence that he's super heavy-handed about trying to control the films he produces? Not really, and certainly no evidence he's more controlling than the studio muckety-mucks themselves. Does di Bonaventura sound ignorant when he talks about GI Joe? Sure. But once again he doesn't really need to be a fan or understand the property to help fund a successful movie. Does he seem to think the property is shallow? Yep...and he'd share that opinion with most of America who thinks of it as a Saturday Morning Cartoon and never got anywhere near a Hama Comic or Resolute or any other adaptations that we fans tout as "peak GI Joe." |
09-09-2023, 12:55 AM | #15 |
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So, (in your opinion,) what is it about Barbie that Gerta Gerwig, Margot Robbie (also serves as a co-producer on Barbie,) Tom Ackerley plus David Heyman and Mattel Films Executive Producer Robbie Brenner, and Noah Baumbach, (who helped write the Barbie screenplay,) and Warner Bros. undestood, accepted, and embraced about Barbie that LdiB, Hasbro, and Paramount isn't understanding, accepting, and embracing about G.I. JOE? Should Hasbro be more involved in creative process with the Transformers/JOE project like Mattel was with Barbie?
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09-09-2023, 01:14 AM | #16 |
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It's already been said but: The studio is irrelevant. The script and the talent/skill of the director and actors are what makes a good movie, which could happen at any studio.
Sadly for GI Joe there's no magic formula that makes a blockbuster movie successful. If there were, there'd be no blockbuster movies that weren't successful. Even blaming di Bonaventura is off the mark. He didn't write the movies, or direct them, and much less star in them. He's just one of the main money guys. Does he have say? Sure. Is there any particular evidence that he's super heavy-handed about trying to control the films he produces? Not really, and certainly no evidence he's more controlling than the studio muckety-mucks themselves. Does di Bonaventura sound ignorant when he talks about GI Joe? Sure. But once again he doesn't really need to be a fan or understand the property to help fund a successful movie. Does he seem to think the property is shallow? Yep...and he'd share that opinion with most of America who thinks of it as a Saturday Morning Cartoon and never got anywhere near a Hama Comic or Resolute or any other adaptations that we fans tout as "peak GI Joe." As far as him being ignorant, that is a red flag. For the story to work, you need people that care about the property for it to succeed. Favreau and Filoni are prime examples of of what can be done when the Producers care and hire others that care about the property. |
09-09-2023, 01:48 AM | #17 |
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The thing that's key to look at with Barbie being a success is they weren't afraid to be self referential and make fun of themselves- and Mattel learned from past failures in cinema that you HAVE TO be involved with your property and how it's made. Until Hasbro can do the same thing and be more hands on there isn't going to be a successful Joe cinema hit unless they were to go cartoon route with it which is what I'd prefer as a fan. A full two hour Resolute type piece would be gangbusters.
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09-09-2023, 04:57 AM | #18 |
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That was Jon Peters, not LdB.
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09-09-2023, 09:56 AM | #19 |
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As far as him being ignorant, that is a red flag. For the story to work, you need people that care about the property for it to succeed. Favreau and Filoni are prime examples of of what can be done when the Producers care and hire others that care about the property.
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09-09-2023, 09:10 PM | #20 |
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