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Yesterday, 09:10 PM | #81 |
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I agree with what several of you are saying at some level. There are ways a modern live action GI Joe could succeed critically, I can also see ways it could connect with hardcore fans. But can it do both of those things AND be a financial success warranting serious investment by a movie studio? Tough. Transformers does have it a lot easier in my view because you just say giant transforming alien robots fighting and kids will flock to see it, even when the films have zero of the spirit or charm of the original cartoon or comic.
I mentioned this elsewhere (on this forum I think?) but I think the sweet spot for fans like most of us would be doing an updated cartoon along the lines of the Masters of the Universe Netflix show or X-Men '97. They could do the characters justice, making it a straight continuation of the Sunbow show, and maintain the core spirit of what makes many of us love this franchise, but give it a modern spin to maintain the interest of adults. Resolute was a nice effort at this, though I think Warren Ellis took a few too many liberties such as making both Storm Shadow and Zartan unrepentant psychopaths. He didn't really seem to be a fan of the franchise (I remember him making a comment about the death of Bazooka where he mocked some of the fans) and it showed. Frankly I think going the live action route is too tough to get it all right. The best I would hope for is a movie that it well made and fun, even if it has very little to connect it to the source in my mind, but at this point I don't expect to see something that satisfies me nostalgically at the same time. |
Yesterday, 11:37 PM | #82 |
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GIJoe:2010 again there is nothing on YoJoe about it. They look like a continuation of the 12" line. Good catch, they look like some pretty decent figures. 19 was definitely a dead year. |
Today, 12:56 AM | #83 |
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I don't think the GI JOe films succeeded because they weren't GIJoe. Sure they used the name but the characters weren't recognizable, it seemed almost like a new action movie.
If you watch the making of the Season 1 Mandalorian you see the key stuff that was missed. Favreau and Filoni said Mandalorian should be "your big brother took all the cool figures and you got stuck with some jawas and a boba fett painted silver" and with that they approachedit asa kid with an imagination. Where was the fan service? - not a single GIJoe vehicle looked like a toy or vehicle I had. There were no easter eggs where I could pause and tell my kids about. There was nothing to connect it to my childhood and nothing for my kids to care about. Mandalorian connected OG Star Wars to a new generation. That's how you keep a franchise alive, not by a total reboot and hope it sticks.
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Today, 07:32 AM | #84 |
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The Mandalorian is an interesting comparison because it shows how hard landing one of these adaptations can be. For as much love as Mando gets, Star Wars has had a ton of misses in recent years or shows that only appealed to only a small segment of the audience they wanted. The same could be said for the MCU which has largely floundered since Avengers: End Game. The DCU has struggled, the Universal Monster reboots flopped, and there is a long list of other adapted properties that either underperformed or outright flopped at the box office.
The reality is these things are more likely to fail than succeed and there isn't an easy formula. Joe isn't big enough that it gets a lot of chances to fail forward or weather a miss. And while G.I. Joe ruled the toy aisles in the mid-1980's, it fell off fast in the 90's and has a smaller fan base. The success of Classified and the Skybound comics is creating a bit of a revival, but it is stil lagging behind other nostalgia properties. Transformers is considered a "Franchise Brand" by Hasbro (alongside Magic, Nerf, Play Doh, and My Little Pony) which combined make up around 45% of Hasbro's revenue; G.I. Joe is part of the "Emerging Brands" group (alongside Playskool, Power Rangers, and Peppa Pig) which makes up a combined 9% of Hasbro's revenue. While we love Joe on these boards and it is certainly a franchise on the upswing, I don't think it is punching in the same weight class as Transformers or Barbie or even a fraction of where it was in the 80's. |
Today, 10:18 AM | #85 |
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The Mandalorian is an interesting comparison because it shows how hard landing one of these adaptations can be. For as much love as Mando gets, Star Wars has had a ton of misses in recent years or shows that only appealed to only a small segment of the audience they wanted. The same could be said for the MCU which has largely floundered since Avengers: End Game. The DCU has struggled, the Universal Monster reboots flopped, and there is a long list of other adapted properties that either underperformed or outright flopped at the box office.
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Today, 10:45 AM | #86 |
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This is a prime example of my point. One of (if not THE) major reasons Mandalorian was successful is because in a time where the films where anything but, it actually FELT like Star Wars. It was a course correction back to everything the fans loved. Outside of Rogue One, the films had become something else. And while there were Sith and lightsabers and storm troopers, and ships dogfighting in space, it didn't feel like Star Wars. And while those films absolutely smashed the box office, they're still largely panned by the OT and PT generations of fans base because of how far removed they are.
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Today, 10:59 AM | #87 |
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Hama's comic was still going in 2019, as was Allor's series.
There was also some other merch: https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-j...obra-pins.html https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-j...-statue-2.html https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-j...available.html There may be more, but I've made my point. ;-) |
Today, 11:39 AM | #88 |
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On the Marvel side, Kevin Feige has a similar story. He was a lifelong fan with an extensive comic collection and encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel that paid his dues on a whole host of middling Marvel projects before he had the juice to helm his own projects and birth the MCU. Feige has also had his fights with the Disney executives and was almost fired several times. G.I. Joe doesn't seem to have a fan-advocate in Hollywood at that level. Maybe someday that will change, but right now, the people making the movies are not lifelong fans. Reading the reported history of these projects, it sounds like they brought in people who either didn't know or barely Knew Joe before they worked on the project. The first movie was inspired by James Bond films; Snake Eyes clearly had MCU envy. Maybe there is some producer, director, or screenwriter out there who is secretly a Joe fan. If so, I'd love to see one of them get a shot instead of trying to bring in people who are working from the outside in. |
Today, 09:10 PM | #89 |
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Hama's comic was still going in 2019, as was Allor's series.
There was also some other merch: https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-j...obra-pins.html https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-j...-statue-2.html https://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-j...available.html There may be more, but I've made my point. ;-) |
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