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08-31-2023, 01:25 PM | #51 |
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Just another example of how you fail upward in Hollywood.
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08-31-2023, 01:43 PM | #52 |
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They stink. They don't need any stars, stars just take away from the movie. The Rock should only play original chracters like Swarzneger. He was terrible in Joe. They change main parts of the story (Scarlett is in love with Ripcord??) They have awful CGI. a Joe movie should be like a James Bond movie. A short mini plot at the beginning, then the Joe theme kicks in.
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08-31-2023, 02:27 PM | #53 |
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Original characters, like Schwarzenegger, eh? Did you forget Arnold played your namesake?
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01-19-2024, 04:15 AM | #54 |
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They're trashy boiled garbage movies. They get everything wrong.
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01-19-2024, 06:37 AM | #55 |
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Because G.I. Joe doesn't know what it wants to be.
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03-31-2024, 05:01 PM | #56 |
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The more time wanes on, the more Hollywood attempts to lift the brand from the ashes into a mecca for a new generation of fans (and fails), and the longer we get away from the decade that saw Joe rise in popularity as never before (80's), the more I believe it's not happening.
No doubt there are those who disagree. Don't care. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Who knows, maybe they are right. But do you think an Amazon show about Jaye as the Alpha(di Bonaventura's idea) is going to do it? Is another movie about Snake Eyes going to change everyone's minds? What about another cartoon? Why would a cartoon be successful now, when it wasn't in 2010? I think the most we can expect from Joe is a video game that does decently, and a line like Classified that comes at the right time, and hits all of the right notes. They look good, they lean heavily on the 80's version of Joe's that fans love, they are 6 in scale, something that works better for Hasbro vs 3 3/4, and popular with a great swath of collectors. I think if we are being honest with ourselves, we step back and say, instead of saying writer's strike, release timing, etc etc, perhaps we are just making excuses. Those things are real, for sure, but it's always something that we point our finger to when a movie doesn't succeed. It's just not going to happen. Also, what is G I Joe? A real American hero? Nah, they're international heroes, that's less offensive. Nah, they aren't heroes at all, they're on the run as criminals. Nah, let's just use the name, character names and events from the history and rewrite it (because we have no intellectual creativity), and let's throw everything against the wall and hope it sticks. And if we don't, well we'll just call everyone racist! No one knows what to do with it. They change it, and no one cares, so it doesn't stick. Then they try it another way, same result. By the time they reluctantly do it the way it was originally done (American, with national pride) it will be too late. The best we can hope for, we already have. A great line in Classified. With Super7 throwing gasoline on the fire. Quote:
(There are spoilers ahead for those who didn't see the movies)
The movies weren't successful because the first one was in fact the script for another movie that some writer had in the drawer and they didn't respect characters. I mean changes in all series is fine, we won't always repeat but to make the Baroness a poor innocent hypnotized woman who is the girlfriend of Duke and the sister of Cobra Commander (who is himself the friend of Duke) didn't really attract me. Also they used the Baroness as eye candy all throughout the movie and it was getting annoying. She was hypnotized yet doing many evil plans and was in charge of many things. You give such position to the people you hypnotize? And the trope of the "women can't be evil, they are all poor controlled paws" is annoying. Baroness is evil and intelligent but she is not hypnotized. Also it lacked in characters original looks. Zartan looked like an ordinary guy all through the movie and Destro only got his nanomite helmet at the end. Fine, I can accept they changed Zartan's look, he doesn't have to look like a Kiss member all the time but why turn James McCullen into Destro only at the end and make him explode at the start of the second movie? The second movie had Zartan as the president all through the story and had a weird story. Zartan was president, he could have used the power from inside, more subtlety instead of making Cobra come with a bomb to take control. Also why kill all the Joes and the Cobra from the previous movie at the start? The Snake Eyes movie already has the problem that it barely shows any G.I.Joe or Cobra, it's only a ninja story with Baroness and Scarlett in the background. As a martial art movie it wasn't bad, they tried to go that route because people are obsessed with Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow but those obsessed with them didn't like the fact that Snake Eyes wasn't an irreproachable hero and racists didn't like that he wasn't white. I honestly liked that Snake Eyes, he wasn't boring, they did change the eternal Snake Eyes vs Storm Shadow plot a bit so it was nice to see. But again, the problem of the movie was that it was a ninja movie, not a G.I.Joe and Cobra movie. I think G.I.joe would need a tv series. That would be great and would give place to concentrate on many characters, G.I.joe, Cobra, Dreadnoks, Iron Grenadiers, etc without having to focus on the same ones again (Snake Eyes, Duke, Scarlett, Cobra Commander, Baroness, Storm Shadow) Those are great as characters but it keeps being them over and over while G.I.Joe is in fact one of the biggest toy collection with lots of characters. Make your usual Duke, Snake Eyes, etc be the main ones but in a series, many others could also be included and have some story. I would really love to see what happens between the Cobras in their headquarters see relation between the many officers and also see the Dreadnoks or Iron Grenadiers while they are not fighting the Joes. I'm not interested in seeing only Duke and Snake Eyes's life. As for why Transformers movies are popular, me being a big Transformers fans (certainly not Bayformer though), I have no idea. Probably the explosions (well that is what I found more tolerable, the rest was intolerable, the robots were ugly as hell, the humans were all annoying and the jokes were vulgar). I wish it had not been a success then they would have started anew, not do 300 Bay movies... I didn't see Barbie so I cannot tell. I agree with all of this . Though i think we all as collectors should be happy there is gijoe to begin with after all this time and in its present form is welcomed by me @ least , right now we have several new gijoe comics from a different perspective than just being gijoe . We have a great line going w/classified super 7 has their thing snake eyes movie i couldnt get past the first 15 minutes so i cant hate it , gijoe has been around a long time and its had so many iterations now and has come and gone many times i think these kind of questions need to be as to to why joe movies dont sell like barbie/dune/marvel or the lego movie .half of it is the name and what it has stood for ,for so many years. Say it out loud GIJOE it sounds childish and unlike toy transformers movies they have robots its a totally different culture btwn the two of them . Its like comparing terminator to power rangers . Or wondering why the dragon ball z or speed racer movies diid @ the box office . Its like making to many sequels or redoing/remaking a classic movie. Some stuff doesnt need to be made into a movie or a show . Ive been on other sites in the past that where you have all of these people wanting all these low level characters to have their own movie or show .. Gijoe is an old brand that started 60 years ago we are lucky it is still around in any form @ this present time . I hope to still be purchasing classified in 2030 ..
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03-31-2024, 06:03 PM | #57 |
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True to a certain extent, but since 1964 there's only been a handful of years where a new GI Joe product, in one form or another, hasn't been available for purchase. From my recollection, that would be 1979-1981, in between the demise of Super Joe and the debut if ARAH. Even after ARAH was cancelled in '94, there were a myriad of 12" lines being released. Also, there were still licensed products available after the figure subscription service ended in 2018 and the debut of Classified.
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04-05-2024, 06:06 PM | #58 |
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This. The movie did not harm the 25th line but Hasbro pausing the line for the movie toys is what did it.
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04-07-2024, 01:22 AM | #59 |
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What were some of the best ROC figures?
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04-07-2024, 09:24 AM | #60 |
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