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View Poll Results: Did Snake Eyes: G. I. JOE Origins Help The G.I. JOE Brand | |||
Yes it did. The movie will help the JOEs regain it's popularity and relevance. | 5 | 9.43% | |
No It didn't. The opening box office numbers were too weak to spark interest. | 27 | 50.94% | |
Snake Eyes: G.I. JOE Origins Neither Helped or Hurt The G.I. JOE brand | 9 | 16.98% | |
The Lady Jaye Amazon Prime Series will help the JOEs regain it's popularity and relevance. | 0 | 0% | |
It's too early to tell whether or not Snake Eyes: G.I. JOE Origins helped or hurt the brand. | 12 | 22.64% | |
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll |
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07-25-2021, 01:03 PM | #1 |
Ne Plus Ulta
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Going back to when this project was first announced I said that it didn't matter if the Snake Eyes film wad good or bad. If was something that we lifelong, casual JOE fans (along with the newbies liked,) cool. However, I would be more than content with Snakes Eyes film being trash (like the Transformers films,) just as along as Snake Eyes did numbers like the Transformers films did.
So did Snake Eyes: G.I. JOE Origins do it's job and give the brand the boost it needed to help it regain it's popularity and relevance? Did the film hurt the JOE brand? Is the G.I. JOE brand in the same place that it was last week? Should we be looking to the Lady Jaye series to renew interest in G.I. JOE or is it too early to tell? Has a sequel been announced yet?
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07-25-2021, 01:20 PM | #2 |
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In a way, the film will have little to no effect. Because it is such a low-grossing non-event, it's going to have little effect in redefining the brand. Almost like Superman IV: The Quest for Peace. It was terrible, but no one saw it, so it did little to change the perception of Superman. Hasbro seems to have been extremely cautious about putting out merchandise for the movie, and for once did not cancel all their current Joe lines and replace them with movie merchandise, so it probably won't affect how stores view the sales of the brand very much. Hasbro at least learned that lesson.
The bad effect is in how Joe has now lost its chance to get another big movie push for 5 years minimum, probably closer to 10. Coming in second for the weekend to a movie it wasn't "supposed" to lose to is just as bad as the low gross itself. The brand is in Hollywood jail now. So if for some reason the brand does start struggling, it can't look to Hollywood to help promote it for a while. And, of course, the brand could've gone big league again if the movies had been as crowd-pleasing as Nolan's Batman films or the MCU. Further ripple effects...Hasbro's one-time dream of using big movies to promote their other brands as a multiverse is all but doomed. They got in bed with the wrong people in Hollywood, people who don't understand nor respect their brands. And people who have very little else of substance to show on their resumes, for that matter. It's inexplicable that a really big company let this happen to themselves, when even a much lesser brand like Hellboy was able to get real talent behind their first couple of films. |
07-25-2021, 03:31 PM | #3 |
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No, it didn't.
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07-25-2021, 05:52 PM | #4 |
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The bad effect is in how Joe has now lost its chance to get another big movie push for 5 years minimum, probably closer to 10. The brand is in Hollywood jail now. So if for some reason the brand does start struggling, it can't look to Hollywood to help promote it for a while.
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Obviously di Bonaventura read some of the comics because I don't he just coincidentally came up with this plot because it sounds a lot like that story arc (I think it was in the mid 60's of the Marvel run,) when S.E. and S.S. rescue Stalker, Quick Kick, and Snow Job. This was the JOE that sound of been made, but di Bonaventura said that when he was pitching it none of the studios wanted to fuck with him. This was Hasbro's doing and di Bonaventura made the movie that Hasbro wanted under the parameters that Hasbro put forth.
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07-25-2021, 06:05 PM | #5 |
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Delta Force was the best GI Joe movie. It even had Outback in it.
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07-25-2021, 06:24 PM | #6 |
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Yes Delta Force was the best! Taking the military out of GI JOE is dumb, makes no sense like hubcaps on a tractor! Goldner is the problem. He has ‘fiends’ to impress and it ain’t working. Just take the first 3-5 years of the comic and make the movie based on that.
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07-25-2021, 07:24 PM | #7 |
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Goldner makes Di Bonaventura look like Arnold. Goldner and Sandy Kenyon were separated at cheesedick birth.
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07-25-2021, 07:44 PM | #8 |
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I wish marvel would take over the gi joe stuff since they did the comic but I know it would never happen.
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07-25-2021, 10:19 PM | #9 |
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The movie is so forgettable I don't think it will have an impact either way. Not good enough to be a pop culture topic, but not bad enough that it will make the Razzies either.
It might take something on streaming to get brand going. One of those shows that generate buzz across the board instead of just the chat rooms of the fan base. As to blame, I blame Paramount. Somewhere along the way the studio lost it's mojo and just can't seem to find it again. When people get talking big movies for the look back at the film year Paramount movies are almost never on the list anymore. It feels like people are more likely to talk about past stinkers like how bad the Transformers movies got rather than upcoming movies. It might take Paramount getting swallowed up by a better studio for us to get a good GI Joe movie. |
07-26-2021, 11:57 AM | #10 |
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I don't believe streaming shows have a big enough reach to have any real impact. The Mandalorian seems to be by far the biggest streaming show, but it is still not seen enough to get any of its all-new characters into hot properties. Baby Yoda and Mando sell because they're derivatives of characters everyone knows from the movies. Mando's original characters tend to just pegwarm. Ultimately, G.I. Joe's biggest asset is its huge amount of characters. It doesn't get boring because it jumps around to so many different types of characters, and touches on different genres. The idea of focusing a G.I. Joe show on just one character is a non-starter that will go nowhere. No Joe fan ever asked for a solo Lady Jaye series. We all know why Hollywood wants to focus on a "girl power" show. It's a cliche at this point to take an existing franchise and change it to have a female lead. It's not right for this brand. If it was a FLINT AND Lady Jaye show, it might have more potential to be good at least. A romantic couple as leads in an action-adventure is almost completely ignored these days, but has been popular in the past (Hart to Hart, Romancing the Stone). Quote:
Even if you're right about Hasbro not wanting to do a military theme, TONS of other filmmakers could've made a genuinely good Snake-Eyes movie that got the fans excited. I would've loved to see one. Just like I wanted a Ghostbusters sequel. But I didn't want the Wokebusters we got in 2016 or the Woke-Eyes we just got. The whole point of this movie from Hollywood's perspective was to take a popular character and have it "claimed" by a non-white-male. Hence, they had to portray him as unmasked, and destroy the mystique of the character completely. That didn't matter to them because the goal was not to celebrate the source material or adapt it faithfully. |
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