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08-09-2021, 06:04 AM | #241 |
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A huge part of what made the original G.I. Joe RAH comic work so well was that Larry Hama foregrounded the whole thing in his military experience in Vietnam. Updating the characters' backstories to make them GWOT veterans (and hiring a writer with more recent military experience) would help retain that resonance and sense of realism
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EDIT: None, apparently: https://www.newsweek.com/patriotism-...-gen-x-1611749 Hasbro should avoid real world conflicts "like the plague". They have nothing to gain, and a lot to lose.
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08-09-2021, 09:26 AM | #242 |
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$1,625,000 domestically over the third weekend so I think we can stick a fork in it because it's pretty much done.
Maybe it can take off internationally or maybe it can be enough of a draw for streaming to justify the budget, but I'm guessing a fourth whatever boot if a fourth Joe film ever gets made. |
08-09-2021, 01:12 PM | #243 |
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Going to Newsweek to find out what the authoritarian corporations want us to think is true about the opinions of the humans of the world is really bowing at the altar.
The American appeal, the valor, pride, and heroism is the core of GiJoe. It was when I was a kid. Man, that was the best. Deeply inspirational, deeply motivational and giving a kid something to aspire to. I remember about eight years ago when people could still be laughed at for saying "half this country won't take their kids to an Independence Day event because they want their kids to grow up hating their own country." And there was a pretend sense of offense if you said that. GiJoe is the perfect vehicle for reintroducing the concepts of sincerity, gratitude and joy to a generation starving for them. We live in the best era for humans, ever. There is no reason to go backwards when we can continue to grow and why not let this beloved brand be a part of that.
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08-09-2021, 02:19 PM | #244 |
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08-09-2021, 03:18 PM | #245 |
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Again, you are bringing the "how the elite 1% want you to behave" into a situation where humans all over the world are flying the American flag in resistance to rampant authoritarianism.
So Princeton (?) wants you to believe that history isn't cool anymore and an invented history should supersede it? Why do you care what freaking Princeton University wants you to believe. You have an anarchy symbol as an avatar. Why do you do as you're told when dishonest people are trying to change your history? Your history is already real. 1619 was lambasted by THREE Pulitzer-Prize winning historians and the author of it came out and said that she knows that it's fake, it is intended to be fake, and that it's an EXPERIMENT in trying to change history in people's minds. Literally Year Zero stuff. Anyone of any political persuasion ought to push back against it. So the BIGGEST MONEY, the most powerful people in the world with the absolute most weight to push around are telling you to do something and your instinct is that you should not question it at all? This is the same mindset as this: Quote:
During the "Broca Beach" arc* of the original comic run, Zarana proved herself to be a highly capable businesswoman (and team leader). So I could easily see her looking to dramatically expand the group's reach/influence by "building the brand" (through aggressive marketing). Maybe even eventually licensing out "Dreadnok franchises" across the country/globe. Thus creating the necessity/opportunity to recruit a workforce of uniformed generic goons (of all races/genders).
* Beginning in issue #81, culminating in #89. Although I don't see why "all races/genders" is even part of the formula above I do agree with that. Cobra is a hardcore authoritarian structure. Call them Fascist, call them Communist, they are fictional and not specifically defines but these power structures all share the same core. Dreadnoks are not the kind of humans who would go down that road with her. Zarana would totally become a Fascist authoritarian squad leader, or indeed even be a thought leader. But go ask Giovanni Gentile, this is his fantasy in action. The merger of business and governmental power for the benefit of the upper crust and for the purpose of intimidating the civilian population into compliance. You even call them "goons." They would be anti-civilian thugs intended to eradicate or subjugate the population on behalf of the upper crust. This reminds me of the recent issue of ARAH when Baroness was shown to be a harsh authoritarian hunting down an anti-authoritarian. Her roots are from a noble point, but as soon as she has an army behind her suddenly she becomes that which she hated. Now I'll grant you that Roadpig would follow Zarana into this sort of authoritarian brownshirt arrangment. She probably would brand it with a Dreadnoks logo (I prefer the hooded skull from DDP to the flaming skull with the knife but your mileage may vary). I would even very much like to see a story like this. But the traditional Dreadnoks would not generally follow her into this sort of an authoritarian army because they are not order-takers. They are individualists and non-structuralists. The Dreadnoks are the opposite of the Fascisti jackboot army you are making a fantasy about.
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08-09-2021, 11:31 PM | #246 |
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Again, you are bringing the "how the elite 1% want you to behave" into a situation where humans all over the world are flying the American flag in resistance to rampant authoritarianism.
So Princeton (?) wants you to believe that history isn't cool anymore and an invented history should supersede it? Why do you care what freaking Princeton University wants you to believe. You have an anarchy symbol as an avatar. Why do you do as you're told when dishonest people are trying to change your history? Your history is already real. 1619 was lambasted by THREE Pulitzer-Prize winning historians and the author of it came out and said that she knows that it's fake, it is intended to be fake, and that it's an EXPERIMENT in trying to change history in people's minds. Literally Year Zero stuff. Anyone of any political persuasion ought to push back against it. So the BIGGEST MONEY, the most powerful people in the world with the absolute most weight to push around are telling you to do something and your instinct is that you should not question it at all? This is the same mindset as this: Now, I'm not criticizing you. For what my opinion is worth to you I think your analysis of Zarana here is pretty accurate. In agreement I can also say that I have seen this part of Zarana and I have also liked to see it when she steps up and becomes a strong leader (basically any time that Zartan isn't in the room). She also did take charge in Cobra. Although I don't see why "all races/genders" is even part of the formula above I do agree with that. Cobra is a hardcore authoritarian structure. Call them Fascist, call them Communist, they are fictional and not specifically defines but these power structures all share the same core. Dreadnoks are not the kind of humans who would go down that road with her. Zarana would totally become a Fascist authoritarian squad leader, or indeed even be a thought leader. But go ask Giovanni Gentile, this is his fantasy in action. The merger of business and governmental power for the benefit of the upper crust and for the purpose of intimidating the civilian population into compliance. You even call them "goons." They would be anti-civilian thugs intended to eradicate or subjugate the population on behalf of the upper crust. This reminds me of the recent issue of ARAH when Baroness was shown to be a harsh authoritarian hunting down an anti-authoritarian. Her roots are from a noble point, but as soon as she has an army behind her suddenly she becomes that which she hated. Now I'll grant you that Roadpig would follow Zarana into this sort of authoritarian brownshirt arrangment. She probably would brand it with a Dreadnoks logo (I prefer the hooded skull from DDP to the flaming skull with the knife but your mileage may vary). I would even very much like to see a story like this. But the traditional Dreadnoks would not generally follow her into this sort of an authoritarian army because they are not order-takers. They are individualists and non-structuralists. The Dreadnoks are the opposite of the Fascisti jackboot army you are making a fantasy about.
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08-10-2021, 01:45 AM | #247 |
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So Princeton (?) wants you to believe that history isn't cool anymore and an invented history should supersede it? ... 1619 was lambasted by THREE Pulitzer-Prize winning historians and the author of it came out and said that she knows that it's fake, it is intended to be fake, and that it's an EXPERIMENT in trying to change history in people's minds.
Regardless, I'm sure we can all agree it's hardly Hasbro's (or Paramount's) place to be teaching the "true" meaning of "American values". Thus it would be wise for them to steer clear of such polarizing topics entirely. Aside, of course, from speaking out on & standing up for undeniably universal truths (SEE the links in my sig and/or profile page). * And, imo, were half-right in doing so.
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08-10-2021, 03:42 AM | #248 |
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I have often wanted to see the prior war experiences of the other Joes who served in Vietnam. There are hints and references to some of them. Snake-Eyes and Stalker tend to have some extra years on them compared to most of the original 13 though in my understanding of ARAH except Hawk. Also maybe Rock and Roll, Clutch, and Zap although I can't remember if that is implicit.
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So, there's your target audience, and you can either try to appeal to them, or continue to piss away millions of dollars on the proven losing strategy of trying to de-Americanize and de-militarize "G.I. Joe." Quote:
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https://www.newsweek.com/patriotism-...-gen-x-1611749 Hasbro should avoid real world conflicts "like the plague". They have nothing to gain, and a lot to lose. Quote:
$1,625,000 domestically over the third weekend so I think we can stick a fork in it because it's pretty much done.
Maybe it can take off internationally or maybe it can be enough of a draw for streaming to justify the budget, but I'm guessing a fourth whatever boot if a fourth Joe film ever gets made. Quote:
GiJoe is the perfect vehicle for reintroducing the concepts of sincerity, gratitude and joy to a generation starving for them. We live in the best era for humans, ever. There is no reason to go backwards when we can continue to grow and why not let this beloved brand be a part of that.
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I'm sure we can all agree it's hardly Hasbro's (or Paramount's) place to be teaching the "true" meaning of "American values". Thus it would be wise for them to steer clear of such polarizing topics entirely. Aside, of course, from speaking out on & standing up for undeniably universal truths (SEE the links in my sig and/or profile page).
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08-10-2021, 06:15 AM | #249 |
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Yeah I was putting pins in a map during the FIRST Gulf War and tracking the troop movements on my bedroom wall when that was happening. It was a long time ago. Why, that was before Trump was Hitler, it was before GWBush was Hitler, it was back when HWBush was Hitler (it's hard to keep track who Hitler is at any given time- if only there were some pattern). The Joes were deployed into that war in Benzheen at the same time and I was completely attentive to the situation as much as I could be. You are correct about which war I intended, touche.
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Arguably two of the biggest reasons for why Japanese comics are outselling domestic offerings in the U.S. these days by a massive, historic margin, are 1: they make no excuses for being Japanese, and being unapologetic expressions of Japanese culture, and 2: they are sincere as all get out.
Now we've entered a time period when they don't care about the boos and jeers because they have seen in 2020 what makes the sarcastic, ironic, spiteful and resentful people cheer. It wasn't pretty. It wasn't okay. GiJoe can absolutely handle some sincerity.
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