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07-22-2021, 11:25 PM | #11 |
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Guess nobody's going to see this or wanting to discuss it much, and given all the negative nancies around here I can't say I'm too surprised.
So anyway, I liked it. I didn't LOVE it, but it was a decent mid-budget action flick with a mostly solid cast who weren't really given enough to do. What I loved: I love that the Joes clearly have history (and a lot of it) in this world. They're not a "new" thing. Also that the Joes have long-standing alliances with other groups around the world. I enjoyed that aspect of the worldbuilding. Ursula Corbero was born to play Baroness. Small part but she played very well off of Samara Weaving's Scarlett and is hella good at vamping it up. Blind Master and Hard Master (And Granny Arashikage). That is all. Andrew Koji's Storm Shadow was fantastic, and they really sold his arc. He's got legitimate beef with Snake-Eyes, and while he perhaps takes it to an unnecessary extreme due to his own flaw (ego), Snake-Eyes does genuinely deserve his ire. What I liked: Henry Golding's got leading-man charisma, but it's a shame that his part was just...not very well written (more on that below). I didn't hate him in the role, mostly because it seemed like he was trying really hard to sell it. Samara Weaving's Scarlett was a pretty solid intro but wasn't a big enough part to really get a full picture. Her intro was a little shaky (no pun intended) but her performance was good. I liked that they set aside a whole bunch of the gripes: Snake-Eyes still has no real name that we know of. Snake-Eyes is still American. There's even a cabin in the woods, albeit used in a different context than we're used to. They kept the cheese to a minimum, which was actually mildly surprising to me. Overall the acting was pretty solid. Nobody seemed to just be "phoning it in." What was meh: Snake-Eyes' arc seemed unnecessarily drawn out and cliched, and as my wife pointed out kinda made him into an asshole. Also they really needed a training montage and something giving a sense of time passing because as it stands the whole movie takes place in about a week. I can buy him being a badass before he gets there but...probably more than a week to become a full-fledged Ninja. I'm not a fan of Shaky-Cam, but I found the Shaky-Cam to not be the completely insufferable type. I could tell what was going on in the action sequences even with the shaky-cam and with a few exceptions (Scarlett's intro stuck out a little) it didn't seem like it was being used to cover up deficiencies in the actors' fight choreography. I'd like to see less of it, but it wasn't as bad as some folks will no doubt make out. Kenta was a super-weak villain in terms of the role. I get they needed a "original" character so that they didn't kill off a major Cobra character in the first movie or something, and wanted something with ties to the Arashikage, but I feel like it could have been done far better. He should've been the Night Creeper Leader or something. Likewise while the Joe world-building was pretty decent I feel like Cobra's was lacking. I didn't need MUCH more but something beyond just a few symbols and the Baroness showing up to really sell it. Akiko seemed like she was there just to be a female action character that wasn't Scarlett, and it felt like either a fair bit of her role got cut or that they simply didn't quite know what to do with her. I appreciate that she wasn't any kind of overt love interest but at the same time they kinda drop hints that she's crushing on Snake-Eyes for...no real fathomable reason besides Henry Golding being a handsome sumbitch...but then they don't really follow-through on it. The actress was fine and did the best she could with what she was given, I think, The introduction of "the costume" was just...bizarre and anticlimactic. No other Arashikage are in gear like that, there's no explanation of why he's getting a special suit or whatever, or even if the suit IS special. It's like at the last second they remembered that the title of the movie is "Snake-Eyes" so we should probably show him in the traditional form before the credits roll. All told I'd give it a B+. It ain't bad. It ain't great. Diehards are going to hate it because change is bad and they'd rather have two hours of the early 90's live-action toy commercials that played before the movie because they think that'll really connect with modern audiences. My Wife was/is not a Joe fan but she liked the movie overall. I don't think it'll be the renaissance we're hoping for but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing what a more "complete" Joe film set in this universe might look like.
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07-22-2021, 11:31 PM | #12 |
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^ Not in the COVID era it won't. It will be extremely lucky to have a $20 million opening weekend in North America.
Thankfully the budget ($88m) is half of Rise of Cobra ($175m) and still substantially less than Retaliation ($130m). International box office will be crucial if the first two Joe films are any indication. And of course the eventual digital streaming numbers that weren't around or were insignificant for the first two movies. |
07-22-2021, 11:41 PM | #13 |
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I’ve been following this site since 2011, but I decided to finally register an account today because I wanted to talk about Snake Eyes with people. I actually liked it and found Andrew was particularly a stand out as Storm Shadow. But my biggest gripe was that Snake Eyes never wore his costume and the ending was spoiled in the trailers.
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07-22-2021, 11:44 PM | #14 |
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Was it just me or did Samara Weaving give a terrible performance as Scarlett? I loved Samara in Ready or Not, but her Scarlett lacked any personality and gave very poor line deliveries. “No Good Deed” was one of the worst line deliveries.
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07-23-2021, 12:36 AM | #15 |
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^ Not in the COVID era it won't. It will be extremely lucky to have a $20 million opening weekend in North America.
Thankfully the budget ($88m) is half of Rise of Cobra ($175m) and still substantially less than Retaliation ($130m). International box office will be crucial if the first two Joe films are any indication. And of course the eventual digital streaming numbers that weren't around or were insignificant for the first two movies. The big things that are working in Snake Eyes favor are that it’s an accessible, PG-13 action flick that isn’t available on any streaming service for over a month. The big competition in that area will be Free Guy on August 16. Given the drop off on films with streaming access, Snake Eyes COULD have some degree of longevity until Shang Chi hits in early September. In a more realistic posture, I’m guessing Snake Eyes will hit around 11 million opening weekend, probably piddle to $50 million all said and done in the US domestic market. As said, international numbers could salvage things and if the GI Joe toys do well enough, Hasbro might chalk it up as a success for helping drive momentum in the brand.
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07-23-2021, 01:47 AM | #16 |
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Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers. Quick notes on a terrible film.
I have seen this movie twice now and I thought it was abysmal. Absolutely awful. I went in with high hopes and just had them completely dashed. I saw it a second time in case my initial reaction was too harsh. The story is awful to me. Snake Eyes' Dad is now a G.I. Joe. Why does Snake Eyes not use his birth name/family name/the name his father game him? Something something everything is a lie, even his name...ok... Where was his Mom? Was she ever mentioned? Did Snake Eyes really have no idea what his Father did? Did he end up in foster care? Why did the Cobra agents immediately give up trying to find him after he ran away? I guess Snake Eyes never served in the military? I guess he doesn't have any formal training or education of any kind before he joins the Yakuza? Just a Batman Begins/Wolverine mashup that leads from the underground fight circuit, to getting recruited by the Yakuza, to getting convinced to befriend Storm Shadow and deceive him into thinking you saved his life, so Yakuza boss who is also Arashikage can get the Fire Stone, so Snake Eyes can get information on the man who killed his Father, which leads to a three-way battle between The Joes, represented by Scarlett, the Arashikage, and the Yakuza, with the Baroness thrown in to represent Cobra, who immediately teams up with the Joes, embodied by Scarlett, to defeat their common enemy, the tube worms! I mean the Yakuza. Cobra and the Yakuza are on a quest for a magic rock that sets fires and burns people alive. The three tests of the Arashikage are an uninspired water bowl exchange, magic ninja lights and hallucinations, and the Arashikage keep GIANT SNAKES in a pit to test their applicants which made me think of Conan the Barbarian, only with worse looking special effects, and the snakes magically know if your heart is pure. Snake Eyes seems to have taken on the story arc of Zartan. Infiltrating the Arashikage clan under false pretenses, while working for a person hellbent on revenge for a perceived wrong, resulting in the clan dissolving and a future of pain and regret and a quest for redemption. Snake Eyes, in a total twist, is a complete jerk. Lying, cheating, stealing, he is in no way heroic or likeable in this movie. Storm Shadow can shoot, stab, kick, punch anyone and it's ok but because he dared to use the FIRE ROCK against the Yakuza boss, and did not actually harm anyone with it, he can no longer be considered for clan leadership and the Arashikage clan has to dissolve because they once swore an oath to the Sun god to project the Sun Stone or something...honestly it was like Avatar the Last Airbender combined with the worst elements of Sigma Six. The fight choreography is awful, the camera work is nauseating, the acting is terrible, the story is generic, and overall it is a very boring movie. If you liked it, I'm very happy for you. Personally, I think it is the worst g.i.joe movie yet. I have no love for the Rise of Cobra or Retaliation, but I will happily watch them anytime over ever seeing Snake Eyes Begins: The Last Firebender, ever again |
07-23-2021, 01:54 AM | #17 |
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Watched the movie. Really liked it. Nope, doesn't stay very close to the mythos but damn if it's not entertaining.
Shaky cam really ruins the beginning fights and definitely wasn't needed is about the worst I can say outside of what people say about it not sticking to the original story. I also REALLY enjoyed Tommy. Andrew Koji seems to have really captured what "my" version of Storm Shadow has always been. I liked him and felt more invested in him than I did Snake Eyes. Hard Master and Blind Master and Granny were great. Akiko was ok. Scarlett was less-than-ok. Ursula Corbero was a very good Baroness. Looking forward to the next one. I'll be posting my review of it (and the movie Classified figures) soon. (I know, cheap plug) |
07-23-2021, 02:26 AM | #18 |
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I have argued a few times on the forum that they should have just made a Storm Shadow film, because it doesn't look anything like GiJoe or Snake-Eyes but the trailers DO look like a Storm Shadow story. Tommy could absolutely carry a film if they stick to the story.
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07-23-2021, 02:47 AM | #19 |
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I knew it this film would be a failure.
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07-23-2021, 03:08 AM | #20 |
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Yep and you have hack producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura mostly to thank for it. No idea why Hasbro and Paramount continue to allow that idiot to screw up their properties.
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