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07-25-2021, 12:03 PM | #131 |
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Since they made Cobra into a catch all bad guy group my feeling is they were swinging for an endless franchise sort of deal. Even the little bit they did with setting up GI Joe it felt like turning it into anything from a Special Missions sort of feel to something over the top huge like the invasion of Cobra Island in the Marvel comics run.
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07-25-2021, 12:43 PM | #132 |
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I'm actually hopeful for the Lady Jaye Amazon series. Seriously, how hard can it be to fuck a t.v. show about a secret agent? If the Lady Jaye show bricks then somebody went out of their way to fuck it up.
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07-25-2021, 12:55 PM | #133 |
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G.I. JOE lends itself better to episodic narrative storytelling where there's more of an opportunity to flesh out character and plot development over say a ten ot thirteen episode season as opposed to a two hour movie.
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07-25-2021, 01:08 PM | #134 |
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First of all, I enjoyed this much more than the previous two movies (I know that's a low bar).
While I kmnkw the story of the comics, I havent read them in decades. Taking this as a fresh explaining of the origin of the relationship between Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes, I think it works, and I enjoyed it. I like that Snake Eyes now has the potential for a redemption story of his own. Redeeming Storm Shadow is part of Snake Eyes atoning for his crimes against the Arashikage. I also appreciated that it is made very clear that Storm Shadow lives by a code. He has violated that code and fallen, but his eventual redemption could be a good story, for him and Snake Eyes. GI Joe and Cobra are teased, but there is a lot of room for further exploration. See it for yourself. |
07-25-2021, 02:01 PM | #135 |
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Oh, another Easter egg was the "Morning Light" katana. Also: Nanzhou was mentioned along with Borovia.
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07-25-2021, 03:37 PM | #136 |
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07-25-2021, 04:26 PM | #137 |
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07-25-2021, 04:35 PM | #138 |
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Snake Eyes' dad was a Joe called "Brightsword," lol.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but is this plot point as retarded as it sounds when it's revealed?
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07-25-2021, 04:42 PM | #139 |
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Call me crazy, but I thought this felt like the beginning of a trilogy.
In the first movie, Snake Eyes gradually becomes a true Arashikage student and moves from being in a dark place psychologically to, only late in the movie, being in a good one. The Arashikage are explored and much of their story is sorted out, but Tommy turns to the dark side and joins Cobra, setting up the next movie. In part two, Snake Eyes is completing his Arashikage training while Storm Shadow is taking Cobra Commander’s masterclasses in underhanded fuckery and dirty tricks, culminating in Storm Shadow‘s first real Cobra mission around the time of SE’s graduation exam. Storm Shadow’s re-emergence and his newly revealed links to Cobra point to a clear conclusion: having become a ninja, Snake Eyes must now continue his training with the Joes and become a commando as well, and then work alongside them to face down Cobra and confront Tommy. So Snake Eyes is taken to the Joes’ secret base, gets some abbreviated-‘cause-it’s-the-movies training and gets to know some individual Joes, then goes out in a small unit raid with maybe Scarlett and Stalker, half as a field test of his new skills and half to see whether they can gain any intel from it. They succeed hugely in this mid-movie raid, setting up a medium scale end-of-movie battle, with maybe a half dozen to a dozen Joes as a rapid response team and a similar number of Cobras, all introduced to the audience by way of SE and SS. At the end of the movie SE and SS are separated off from the main battle and fight. Snake Eyes nearly succeeds in convincing Tommy to switch sides, but then the latter is again overcome by anger and doubles down on evil, pulling a dirty trick that forces SE to save some Joes/innocents from an inferno while the bad guys escape. The movie ends with the audience knowing most of the main Joe and Cobra characters, CC’s slimy, manipulative, caper-ing nature, and having seen some real Joe-vs-Cobra action, while SE finishes the movie as a wounded warrior recovering in the Walter Reed burn unit, now a commando as well as a ninja master and a soldier with strong personal connections to vets he served with. Then for the finale, you mostly dive into a full scale Joe vs Cobra struggle, with large vehicle and infantry/commando battles and big stakes involving a giant plan of Cobra Commander’s....tanks and jets and Terror Dromes and plans to take over the world, the whole enchilada. It’s mostly a Joe vs Cobra movie with a B story about Snake Eyes, until a second 1-v-1 Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow battle at the end, this time seeing Stormy make the right choice, joining the good side to rectify his mistakes before following through on a long after-movie plan to take as much time as he needs to find inner peace before possibly working with the Arashikage or Joes again. Anyway, that’s my take. I think we got a solid beginning, so long as it’s just the beginning. I think it would be unacceptable to skip over the rest of the fundamental Snake Eyes story — the fire, his wounded warrior aspect, his commando background and strong personal bonds to the vets he served with. But I see no reason to assume this material *won’t* be covered merely because it hasn’t been yet. So I mostly agree with the specific criticisms I’m seeing, but disagree with the conclusions I’m seeing drawn from them. I don’t think there’s anything broken about this version of Snake Eyes; he’s just incomplete, unfinished, more /::/:: than ::/::/ at this point, in the I Ching sense of those hexagrams. If Hasbro is going to build out a whole universe of movies and shows about this iteration of the franchise, why should we be surprised that their biggest hero didn’t reach his final form all at once in the beginning? |
07-25-2021, 05:02 PM | #140 |
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