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07-24-2021, 11:20 PM | #121 |
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The weird thing is I’ve read on tfw2005 that Hasbro was really upset with some comments that Lorenzo made about Bumblebee so Brian Goldner intervened and had him muzzled and removed from giving press interviews. No idea why that didn’t continue.
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07-24-2021, 11:43 PM | #122 |
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Regardless of what people say on the movie.S..good or bad...it sorta benefitted by being only able to see in theatres for I would assume 45 days until Paramount+ and VOD. Plus it was filmed on nearly half the budget as the previous movies so it will likely once again not be a bomb. Plus, need I remind people Black Widow was well reviewed/well scored and dropped. Spam Jam according to review and word of mouth was also bad but still did good. plus you could get it on HBO max, so I dunno....still...I just largely found Snake Eyes unlikeable. Maybe if somehow, they had him not steal the Fire Dragon Orb thingy or perhaps then it would make him more heroic.
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07-25-2021, 12:26 AM | #123 |
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When Top Gun 2 was announced I rolled my eyes....couldn't think of any possible reason to resurrect a film from over 30 years ago and do another pointless sequel with old men.
Then I saw the trailer in IMAX. It's exhilarating. After 25 years of nothing but fake rubbery CGI and stupid energy beams and people leaping around defying the laws of physics....seeing REAL, physical airplanes being filmed lived at breakneck speeds? It's like it hit a switch in my brain and a little voice said "Oh yeah....this is how movies used to be made....they used to actually go out and SHOOT real stuff with cameras!" I think Top Gun 2 is gonna do well. I think we've all been craving that sense of realism and high stakes that you can never get when you're watching a big rubbery cartoon alien smash his fist into a big fake cartoon building. CGI is all shiny, weightless and FAKE looking. Your brain isn't fooled. Tom Cruise may be a weirdo, but he's got good business sense when it comes to shooting things practically. I'm gonna go see that in IMAX. Honestly, if Top Gun 2 winds up with lots of real aircraft footage, the rest of it could be garbage and I'll still probably walk away happy. |
07-25-2021, 01:27 AM | #124 |
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Snake Eyes is a terrible ‘G.I Joe’ movie. The end. It would have been a great American Ninja reboot. But as a film that is based on a property with such a rich mythos, it is wholly void of the anything remotely resembling the character the film is based on. I’m even more disappointed given that this same weekend we got a He-Man reboot which is equally terrible and strives to reimagine the franchise into some unrecognizable pile of steaming hot doo doo.
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07-25-2021, 01:36 AM | #125 |
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I will say that I thought Ursula Corbero was terrific as the Baroness. I loved her look and the way she acted.
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07-25-2021, 03:22 AM | #126 |
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I saw it tonight at the 605pm showing. There was a bigger group of family/friends that was maybe 4 adults and 3 kids. There was a couple. There was a group of 2 friends. Then there were 3 single people. And then me and my girlfriend. Other than the three kids, everyone else was an adult. So about 16 people total in the theater.
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07-25-2021, 03:29 AM | #127 |
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I wouldn't mind seeing more G.I. Joe movies with this cast. I have a few issues with some of the things that they did with Snake Eyes's origin / character. Also the ending made me shrug lol. But it was still entertaining.
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07-25-2021, 03:32 AM | #128 |
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Guess nobody's going to see this or wanting to discuss it much, and given all the negative nancies around here I can't say I'm too surprised.
So anyway, I liked it. I didn't LOVE it, but it was a decent mid-budget action flick with a mostly solid cast who weren't really given enough to do. What I loved: I love that the Joes clearly have history (and a lot of it) in this world. They're not a "new" thing. Also that the Joes have long-standing alliances with other groups around the world. I enjoyed that aspect of the worldbuilding. Ursula Corbero was born to play Baroness. Small part but she played very well off of Samara Weaving's Scarlett and is hella good at vamping it up. Blind Master and Hard Master (And Granny Arashikage). That is all. Andrew Koji's Storm Shadow was fantastic, and they really sold his arc. He's got legitimate beef with Snake-Eyes, and while he perhaps takes it to an unnecessary extreme due to his own flaw (ego), Snake-Eyes does genuinely deserve his ire. What I liked: Henry Golding's got leading-man charisma, but it's a shame that his part was just...not very well written (more on that below). I didn't hate him in the role, mostly because it seemed like he was trying really hard to sell it. Samara Weaving's Scarlett was a pretty solid intro but wasn't a big enough part to really get a full picture. Her intro was a little shaky (no pun intended) but her performance was good. I liked that they set aside a whole bunch of the gripes: Snake-Eyes still has no real name that we know of. Snake-Eyes is still American. There's even a cabin in the woods, albeit used in a different context than we're used to. They kept the cheese to a minimum, which was actually mildly surprising to me. Overall the acting was pretty solid. Nobody seemed to just be "phoning it in." What was meh: Snake-Eyes' arc seemed unnecessarily drawn out and cliched, and as my wife pointed out kinda made him into an asshole. Also they really needed a training montage and something giving a sense of time passing because as it stands the whole movie takes place in about a week. I can buy him being a badass before he gets there but...probably more than a week to become a full-fledged Ninja. I'm not a fan of Shaky-Cam, but I found the Shaky-Cam to not be the completely insufferable type. I could tell what was going on in the action sequences even with the shaky-cam and with a few exceptions (Scarlett's intro stuck out a little) it didn't seem like it was being used to cover up deficiencies in the actors' fight choreography. I'd like to see less of it, but it wasn't as bad as some folks will no doubt make out. Kenta was a super-weak villain in terms of the role. I get they needed a "original" character so that they didn't kill off a major Cobra character in the first movie or something, and wanted something with ties to the Arashikage, but I feel like it could have been done far better. He should've been the Night Creeper Leader or something. Likewise while the Joe world-building was pretty decent I feel like Cobra's was lacking. I didn't need MUCH more but something beyond just a few symbols and the Baroness showing up to really sell it. Akiko seemed like she was there just to be a female action character that wasn't Scarlett, and it felt like either a fair bit of her role got cut or that they simply didn't quite know what to do with her. I appreciate that she wasn't any kind of overt love interest but at the same time they kinda drop hints that she's crushing on Snake-Eyes for...no real fathomable reason besides Henry Golding being a handsome sumbitch...but then they don't really follow-through on it. The actress was fine and did the best she could with what she was given, I think, The introduction of "the costume" was just...bizarre and anticlimactic. No other Arashikage are in gear like that, there's no explanation of why he's getting a special suit or whatever, or even if the suit IS special. It's like at the last second they remembered that the title of the movie is "Snake-Eyes" so we should probably show him in the traditional form before the credits roll. All told I'd give it a B+. It ain't bad. It ain't great. Diehards are going to hate it because change is bad and they'd rather have two hours of the early 90's live-action toy commercials that played before the movie because they think that'll really connect with modern audiences. My Wife was/is not a Joe fan but she liked the movie overall. I don't think it'll be the renaissance we're hoping for but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing what a more "complete" Joe film set in this universe might look like. |
07-25-2021, 05:15 AM | #129 |
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Call me crazy, but I thought this felt like the beginning of a trilogy.
In the first movie, Snake Eyes gradually becomes a true Arashikage student and moves from being in a dark place psychologically to, only late in the movie, being in a good one. The Arashikage are explored and much of their story is sorted out, but Tommy turns to the dark side and joins Cobra, setting up the next movie. In part two, Snake Eyes is completing his Arashikage training while Storm Shadow is taking Cobra Commander’s masterclasses in underhanded fuckery and dirty tricks, culminating in Storm Shadow‘s first real Cobra mission around the time of SE’s graduation exam. Storm Shadow’s re-emergence and his newly revealed links to Cobra point to a clear conclusion: having become a ninja, Snake Eyes must now continue his training with the Joes and become a commando as well, and then work alongside them to face down Cobra and confront Tommy. So Snake Eyes is taken to the Joes’ secret base, gets some abbreviated-‘cause-it’s-the-movies training and gets to know some individual Joes, then goes out in a small unit raid with maybe Scarlett and Stalker, half as a field test of his new skills and half to see whether they can gain any intel from it. They succeed hugely in this mid-movie raid, setting up a medium scale end-of-movie battle, with maybe a half dozen to a dozen Joes as a rapid response team and a similar number of Cobras, all introduced to the audience by way of SE and SS. At the end of the movie SE and SS are separated off from the main battle and fight. Snake Eyes nearly succeeds in convincing Tommy to switch sides, but then the latter is again overcome by anger and doubles down on evil, pulling a dirty trick that forces SE to save some Joes/innocents from an inferno while the bad guys escape. The movie ends with the audience knowing most of the main Joe and Cobra characters, CC’s slimy, manipulative, caper-ing nature, and having seen some real Joe-vs-Cobra action, while SE finishes the movie as a wounded warrior recovering in the Walter Reed burn unit, now a commando as well as a ninja master and a soldier with strong personal connections to vets he served with. Then for the finale, you mostly dive into a full scale Joe vs Cobra struggle, with large vehicle and infantry/commando battles and big stakes involving a giant plan of Cobra Commander’s....tanks and jets and Terror Dromes and plans to take over the world, the whole enchilada. It’s mostly a Joe vs Cobra movie with a B story about Snake Eyes, until a second 1-v-1 Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow battle at the end, this time seeing Stormy make the right choice, joining the good side to rectify his mistakes before following through on a long after-movie plan to take as much time as he needs to find inner peace before possibly working with the Arashikage or Joes again. Anyway, that’s my take. I think we got a solid beginning, so long as it’s just the beginning. I think it would be unacceptable to skip over the rest of the fundamental Snake Eyes story — the fire, his wounded warrior aspect, his commando background and strong personal bonds to the vets he served with. But I see no reason to assume this material *won’t* be covered merely because it hasn’t been yet. So I mostly agree with the specific criticisms I’m seeing, but disagree with the conclusions I’m seeing drawn from them. I don’t think there’s anything broken about this version of Snake Eyes; he’s just incomplete, unfinished, more /::/:: than ::/::/ at this point, in the I Ching sense of those hexagrams. If Hasbro is going to build out a whole universe of movies and shows about this iteration of the franchise, why should we be surprised that their biggest hero didn’t reach his final form all at once in the beginning? Last edited by books; 07-25-2021 at 05:18 AM.. |
07-25-2021, 09:25 AM | #130 |
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Snake Eyes begins the film so consumed with rage he ends up falling into with the very villains he sought. Storm Shadow is the noble warrior that offers him a new direction in life. By the end of the film, that has reversed- Snake Eyes has become a noble hero while Storm Shadow allowed his rage to consume him to the point he falls into working with the very foes he had sworn to fight. I don’t get the feeling that Storm Shadow was “exiled”. It looked to me that he was simply “demoted” from being in line to take charge…to being another member of the Clan. Again, echoing the “mirror” themes from above, Storm Shadow was told his whole life how important he was…only to be relegated to being “normal”. Conversely, Snake Eyes went from being a nobody, to being acknowledged as a person and warrior. It didn’t look to me that Tommy was exiled, he just got pissed off and said “Fuck y’all, I’m going to start my OWN ninja clan! With Blackjack! And hookers!” And that leaves Snake Eyes with a sense of guilt over things, given him agency to try and redeem himself over his actions. I’m not sure the crew were up to conveying these themes, but I feel there was an attempt to add that nuance to the relationship between the central characters.
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