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06-25-2021, 02:18 AM | #21 |
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Unfortunately even if you wrote one, the likelihood it would ever make the film the way you wanted it is slim to none. The way script doctors, Hollywood executives and even some directors run the show there's no guarantees. The Original script for Snakes could have started out the Joe equivalent of Lord of the Rings and we end up with Deuce Bigelow 2.
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06-25-2021, 07:21 AM | #22 |
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Well at least you tried and you get a cookie for that.
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Unfortunately even if you wrote one, the likelihood it would ever make the film the way you wanted it is slim to none. The way script doctors, Hollywood executives and even some directors run the show there's no guarantees. The Original script for Snakes could have started out the Joe equivalent of Lord of the Rings and we end up with Deuce Bigelow 2.
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06-25-2021, 11:25 AM | #23 |
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I was kind of thrown off by the change, but at the end of the day, it's not really important, only that he be an "outsider". Mexican, Black, Chinese, he could have even been Japanese. It was more important that Storm Shadow remain Japanese (the character, not the actor).
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06-25-2021, 12:22 PM | #24 |
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I was kind of thrown off by the change, but at the end of the day, it's not really important, only that he be an "outsider". Mexican, Black, Chinese, he could have even been Japanese. It was more important that Storm Shadow remain Japanese (the character, not the actor).
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06-25-2021, 04:53 PM | #25 |
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I was kind of thrown off by the change, but at the end of the day, it's not really important, only that he be an "outsider". Mexican, Black, Chinese, he could have even been Japanese. It was more important that Storm Shadow remain Japanese (the character, not the actor).
In the weighted concerns about "how off-target is this depiction of Snake-Eyes going to be" for me personally, the race switch is at the bottom. I do think that it is a change motivated purely by racism, and that it reinforces negative cultural stereotypes. Additionally, we used to have a Snake-Eyes who was part of a diverse three-man brotherhood: Tommy, Lonzo, and Snake-Eyes all shared a bond. That was important. Race meant nothing to these men. They are Americans, fighting the good fight for America. There are no racial boundaries. The loss of the meaning of the United States to the GiJoe brand is way more important to me than the race of the actor playing Snake-Eyes. If my concerns about the changes this film is making were posted in a list, the race would be very low on it. Where are they in the trailer? He and Storm Shadows become brothers because they... work in a Japanese fish market together? Are either of them even Americans at all? The trailer shows that they fight the Asian crime lord fish gang, then Tommy cuts to "you will come live with me now." Did these guys suffer and sacrifice together for a full tour in that fish market? Did they lose their brothers in arms together, and take bullets for each other in that fish market? Additionally it's looking more like Snake-Eyes is not even a cultural outsider in this film. Unless I'm mistaken, Storm Shadow takes Snake-Eyes to the airport to take him from one location in Japan to another location in Japan. Mt. Fuji is showcased in the background before the flight on the Arashikage jet (unless the trailer is edited deceptively). http://alturl.com/a6d9o I have been thinking that we need a thread about "does the loss of the United States in relevance to the GiJoe universe bother you." It bothers me greatly. I didn't grow up following GiJoe because of the characters, but because of the fact that they were American Heroes. Changing the continuity around (at least in a significant sense) would be ABOVE the race swap in the film on my theoretical list, but BELOW removing the United States military and the Joes as American Heroes. A few days ago a poster on these boards said it was a "breath of fresh air" to not have a person of a certain race in the role. Holy crap. That is one of the most transparently racist things anyone has ever said on these boards and nobody pointed it out. It's like a return to the values of the Southern Democrat Jim Crow era, and everyone is afraid to say anything about it because they know they will be punished. This is NOT what MLK's had a dream about. Much time has transpired during this film's slow release. People on this board fight and argue about this as time goes on. I'm starting to think that a goal of this movie IS to divide the Joe fanbase, by intentional design. We're all adults (ostensibly) and can discuss what we want to without a bunch of accusations towards each other. After a lot of thought, I don't CARE if a movie helps a bunch of toys come out, I would rather have less toys which stand for something meaningful than more toys which are compromises against our positive shared values as Americans.
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06-25-2021, 05:43 PM | #26 |
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From an integrity standpoint I can get on board with that; it's a more legitimate reason than most have given. And if the movie becomes yet another in a line of "woke" attempts for Hollywood to push an agenda or project racial values by the process of "inclusion" I'll rail against it like a mother. So tired of people saying they want "equality" when what they *really* want is fifteen minutes of fame, division be hanged.
It does *slightly* get me that Hasbro is pushing for a larger market at the expense of the brands roots. But the world has changed. It's a balancing act. If they (Hasbro) handle it without completely erasing what has been, I can forgive a little give and take. Too far in any one direction no, but with just the right mix, maybe! |
06-25-2021, 08:47 PM | #27 |
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Can we please for the love of God stop bringing up this topic???!!! It seems the only things people been talking about on this site are “GI Joe is no longer AMERICAN!!!!! Nnnnrrrggghhh” and “Snake Eyes is no longer white? What!!! This is reverse racism!!!” and last but not least “He should’ve never been a ninja! He’s always been just a commando to me!”
In the end who gives a fuck. I don’t. No one outside of this dinky little fandom does (Not counting youtube nerds who only care about it to rage against “woke” people). This is literally a Hollywood movie about a dead toy brand. It’s incredibly insignificant in the grand scheme of things and the 30 active members of this board have literally no impact on its success. Last edited by Yeet; 06-25-2021 at 08:53 PM.. |
06-25-2021, 09:51 PM | #28 |
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The second thing that I always remember about SE is his Vietnam War roots (the first is his cabin). The way Stalker shared their back story was and is some great storytelling and legend-building; with respect to Larry Hama and the creative team's handling of that topic. As much as I like Scarlett, it is Stalker who ought to be in this film if it is true to SE's roots. I've heard commentary on the Sunbow series that suggested GI Joe (1983) 'failed' because it was too soon after Vietnam and the wounds were too fresh in the minds of dads/vets who couldn't forget the war and whose kids wanted to watch the cartoon depiction of a military force. Yet, Magnum, P.I. (1980) is considered to have succeeded because it showed how four vets came together as friends and allies and overcame the effects of war and their new struggles. It was seen as showing vets that there was a way through (even by way of escapism). Paramount has not embraced the ARAH aspect since ROC and it's more than a character trait that they're discarding. Storytelling is set aside for Fast & Furious 'integrity' with distracting gadgets and dizzying explosions, which wasn't the foundational half of the comics--that would be the team. The first film's "star" hated his role for glorifying war. The second flick suffered beneath that star's narcissism. I don't imagine this film will invite a redirect because that isn't what Hollywood is about. The entertainment industry is all about claiming a property 'in name only' and reinventing it instead of creating a legacy IP from the ground up. They diminish those who don't embrace their cannibalized version (not talking about hatemongers here) and blame them when the bones of what's left don't stand up. If fans of Stan Weston's 1963 G.I. Joe line were cast aside two decades later when the 3-3/4" line hit the shelves, then I will not be offended by the laugh they must be having now. |
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06-25-2021, 10:14 PM | #29 |
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Definition of racism from Merriam Webster dictionary 1 : a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2a : the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another b : a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles Since none of those apply to why I made that statement you couldn't be further from the truth. I really wasn't about to say anything in this thread until I came across this post. |
06-26-2021, 03:30 AM | #30 |
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Can we please for the love of God stop bringing up this topic???!!! It seems the only things people been talking about on this site are “GI Joe is no longer AMERICAN!!!!! Nnnnrrrggghhh” and “Snake Eyes is no longer white? What!!! This is reverse racism!!!” and last but not least “He should’ve never been a ninja! He’s always been just a commando to me!”
In the end who gives a fuck. I don’t. No one outside of this dinky little fandom does (Not counting youtube nerds who only care about it to rage against “woke” people). This is literally a Hollywood movie about a dead toy brand. It’s incredibly insignificant in the grand scheme of things and the 30 active members of this board have literally no impact on its success.
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