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07-24-2021, 11:55 PM | #91 |
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Gonna expand on my thoughts a bit.
I feel like we got a really good film. Even got a fresh take on the character. Did it capture some of the feel we old hand ARAH supporters loved. To a degree. I think we got a good helping of SE's ninja background. I also think we lost a lot of the commando background for sake of the plot they wanted to tell. And to be fair, in starting off with an origin film...we lost all the mystique the character had. Now that's not to say this film didn't set the pieces for the conflict between Joes and Cobra, and the rivalry between SE and SS cause it totally did BOTH those things. And I'm also not saying that further secrets can't be revealed in future films in this continuity, but as is...a good amount of SE's secrets that we know of...has been told. I think there is more to be told regarding his father, and his past (trying to stay spoiler free here). All that said, that is from a fans view. BUT...I don't really feel that in the months prior to its release, and now that it is out, that there was really a big clamor for a lot of people to see it. Joe fans sure. The average movie goer? Not so much. And there in lies the rub. Joe has shown time and time again that it can not sustain itself off the rank and file fans. Unlike its sister property Transformers which seemingly draws in new audiences with EVERY new film and cartoon no matter how bad or good it its. Sadly Joe has yet to hit those numbers. And that's the issue. If SE drew in massive numbers this weekend, and made a ton of cash...we might be good. SADLY according to wiki the film budget was 88 million...it made 5.5 million this weekend. Even if it stays on that for the next 4 weeks (and it won't) that's 22 million a quarter of the films budget. It's projected to make 15 million. Its not taking the world by storm. So I doubt its gonna see a sequel, and I doubt it's gonna revitalize the franchise. |
07-25-2021, 12:41 AM | #92 |
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Gonna expand on my thoughts a bit.
I feel like we got a really good film. Even got a fresh take on the character. Did it capture some of the feel we old hand ARAH supporters loved. To a degree. I think we got a good helping of SE's ninja background. I also think we lost a lot of the commando background for sake of the plot they wanted to tell. And to be fair, in starting off with an origin film...we lost all the mystique the character had. Now that's not to say this film didn't set the pieces for the conflict between Joes and Cobra, and the rivalry between SE and SS cause it totally did BOTH those things. And I'm also not saying that further secrets can't be revealed in future films in this continuity, but as is...a good amount of SE's secrets that we know of...has been told. I think there is more to be told regarding his father, and his past (trying to stay spoiler free here). All that said, that is from a fans view. BUT...I don't really feel that in the months prior to its release, and now that it is out, that there was really a big clamor for a lot of people to see it. Joe fans sure. The average movie goer? Not so much. And there in lies the rub. Joe has shown time and time again that it can not sustain itself off the rank and file fans. Unlike its sister property Transformers which seemingly draws in new audiences with EVERY new film and cartoon no matter how bad or good it its. Sadly Joe has yet to hit those numbers. And that's the issue. If SE drew in massive numbers this weekend, and made a ton of cash...we might be good. SADLY according to wiki the film budget was 88 million...it made 5.5 million this weekend. Even if it stays on that for the next 4 weeks (and it won't) that's 22 million a quarter of the films budget. It's projected to make 15 million. Its not taking the world by storm. So I doubt its gonna see a sequel, and I doubt it's gonna revitalize the franchise.
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07-25-2021, 01:22 AM | #93 |
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I will say that numbers aside even if it does that all weekend its still only 16.5 million opening weekend in an 88 million budget. I hope it does great...but thats not a great start. |
07-25-2021, 11:51 AM | #94 |
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While not a disaster my gut feeling is the weekend numbers will not be good. The distraction of the Olympics and people still wanting to get out to do other things after so much was closed down.
Next weekend isn't looking so well with the release of Jungle Cruise since Disney has been marketing that movie so hard. It could be another case of Paramount being left with numbers that aren't good enough to say oh yes we have to crank out more but not bad enough to drop the franchise like a hot potato. |
07-25-2021, 12:05 PM | #95 |
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His race mattered nothing to me in this movie… The movie being complete garbage mattered more…
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07-25-2021, 01:08 PM | #96 |
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It also makes a major difference in whether the actor has the talent to actually play the damn role and not a clear "token" put there solely to fit a certain criteria. I once watched a play, set in the Civil War era, I believe. One of the supporting characters was a womanizing, manipulative slave owner on the rise in high society. A black man was cast in the role. Now if you know anything about history, you're aware there were black slave owners (not a discussion or flame war invite, just truth, look it up) so it's not *that* far a stretch, BUT the average patron might find it jarring, especially one sensitive to false beliefs. The man was mesmerizing in that role and totally made the character believable. If you're a good enough actor and capable of instilling that "suspension of disbelief" in your audience, you can pull off things like this. If you can get people to forget the "shock" and invest in your portrayal, you hit the jackpot. This is essential though, because otherwise all people will be talking about afterward (just like now) is why they chose this guy or race. The director has painted himself in a corner a bit. It can't just be about the boom boom action now. Not for fans. Lot of pressure on Mr. Golding here. I wish him luck.
One of the most successful and critically acclaimed plays in the world and all the white people were recast with non-white actors. The choice was made and apparently it was the correct choice as it is a great play, continues to make buckets of money, and society didn’t crumble after a bunch of historically white people were played my mom white actors. The story remained the same, but it was a breath of fresh air injected into what could have been the retelling of the same ol’ story. I haven’t looked up the reaction given by the typical "this person was white! The shouldn’t be played by non white actors!” crowd, but it would be interesting. Snake eyes being an outsider is the important part, not being white. Basically anyone who isn’t Japanese would be an outsider in Japanese culture. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: hearing/seeing/reading the same story repeated over and over and over again the same exact way is boring to me. I like to have new ideas and thoughts and not be plugged into the Matrix to relive the same ‘good old days’ over and over again. |
07-25-2021, 01:12 PM | #97 |
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It also makes a major difference in whether the actor has the talent to actually play the damn role and not a clear "token" put there solely to fit a certain criteria. I once watched a play, set in the Civil War era, I believe. One of the supporting characters was a womanizing, manipulative slave owner on the rise in high society. A black man was cast in the role. Now if you know anything about history, you're aware there were black slave owners (not a discussion or flame war invite, just truth, look it up) so it's not *that* far a stretch, BUT the average patron might find it jarring, especially one sensitive to false beliefs. The man was mesmerizing in that role and totally made the character believable. If you're a good enough actor and capable of instilling that "suspension of disbelief" in your audience, you can pull off things like this. If you can get people to forget the "shock" and invest in your portrayal, you hit the jackpot. This is essential though, because otherwise all people will be talking about afterward (just like now) is why they chose this guy or race. The director has painted himself in a corner a bit. It can't just be about the boom boom action now. Not for fans. Lot of pressure on Mr. Golding here. I wish him luck.
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07-25-2021, 01:52 PM | #98 |
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Much like Hamilton.
One of the most successful and critically acclaimed plays in the world and all the white people were recast with non-white actors. The choice was made and apparently it was the correct choice as it is a great play, continues to make buckets of money, and society didn’t crumble after a bunch of historically white people were played my mom white actors. How about the typical "this character was not white, they shouldn't be played by a white actor crowd?" That crowd has the loudest voice in the media and is the only crowd of these two that Hollywood listens to at all. They now have the power to get any white actor fired if they're cast as a non-white character. And I'll keep screaming, moaning, shouting and complaining as loudly and proudly as they do until we have the same power to stop the terrible recent casting choices behind Snake-Eyes, The Little Mermaid, Batgirl, the rumored Superman, etc. I will always argue for ACCURACY in doing live-action adaptations of existing fictional material. |
07-25-2021, 02:04 PM | #99 |
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It matters because the whole point was Snake Eyes was a caucasian who was accepted and allowed to train with the arashikage. No caucasian had EVER been allowed to do so before so that was the big thing. By taking away his ethnicity and just giving the role to an asian ( halfasian what ever ) it takes away of the impact of the character and the reason he was such a significant character.
Now hes just some asian ninja dude with a grudge. Whoopity. Well I guess it could have been a lot worst and they changed his s-e-x as well lol, pretty much done that with the original Captain Marvel in Captain Marvel, not talking a out Bries character here by the way… frickin’ Hollywood, they’ll never learn, lets pi$$ off half the fan base and break whats not broke, yeah good idea! ;) Anyways, a bit of clever writing and SE in the shadows an not even showing his face would of been the way to go, win-win for everybody…basically Dredd (2012) instead of Judge Dredd (1995), could of even kept the actor, just done it cleverly, something most of the time Hollywood never does… |
07-25-2021, 02:39 PM | #100 |
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Don’t forget that Hollywood doesn’t care what 500 people on an old toy forum want. They used the brand awareness and character awareness to market a new product. Hasbro is just along for the ride because they seem to have seceded control to Paramount for movies (don’t forget that point). A large amount of movie goers likely has awareness for the characters of Cobra Commander and Snake-Eyes and the name GI Joe. But they likely don’t have much after that. Most know Joe as an 80’s toyline and a cartoon. The Sunbow cartoon was vastly more popular and reached more people then the comics. Snake-Eyes had NO Backstory in the cartoon. He was a dude in all black (or blue) that didn’t speak. Wasn’t even a ninja really in the cartoon. Had nothing to do with Storm Shadow in the cartoon. Had no relationship with Scarlett other then being a teammate.
Understand simply that Hasbro and Paramount are trying to create something new and not necessarily recreate something old. I hope it works simply because I like Joe. But please understand the Hama back story we know and love is unknown and meaningless to many. Whether Hama’s original version would make a better movie is certainly debatable but not relatable to most movie goers. Yo Joe! |
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