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06-11-2021, 02:08 PM | #71 |
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Hama was responsible for making the ninja element a major part of GI Joe. GI Joe was NEVER supposed to be "modern military". It's military fantasy if anything. Hell, there was a laser trooper in wave 1 and a guy with a JET PACK. I'm happy it doesn't look like Battlefield 2042. That isn't GI Joe.
I personally want to see a GI Joe movie. NOT Ninja Gaiden, Mortal Kombat, Tenchu or Shinobi. I want to see Sky Strikers, Rattlers, Killer Whales & Mobats. NOT sword fights & martial arts. You can have your ninjas in it but don't over-do it. Last edited by Infinitum; 06-11-2021 at 02:32 PM.. |
06-11-2021, 03:05 PM | #72 |
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Yeah, well, ya know? There's no point in arguing. I'll just say this, go watch the Snake Eyes trailer again & count how many military vehicles or soldiers you see in it. That's pretty much all anybody needs to know. And knowing is half the battle. Right?
I personally want to see a GI Joe movie. NOT Ninja Gaiden, Mortal Kombat, Tenchu or Shinobi. I want to see Sky Strikers, Rattlers, Killer Whales & Mobats. NOT sword fights & martial arts. You can have your ninjas in it but don't over-do it.
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06-11-2021, 03:26 PM | #73 |
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Earliest waves of GI Joe did use actual or inspired by real military designs. Some of them were cutting edge but still very real. The JUMP wasn't fantasy even back then. Now the Sunbow toon started out a little wild in the first mini series and went full blown fantasy from there. But that was later OG13 ARAH was true military designs. Which is part of why those first year blueprints are so cool.
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06-11-2021, 03:45 PM | #74 |
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It is just as you say, highly subjective. In hindsight, it would have been more accurate for me to say "... that takes itself a little too seriously for my highly subjective liking..." but I think the overall point remains the same: This movie is (almost assuredly) not the GI Joe movie of my dreams, but I will (certainly) watch it and (hopefully) enjoy it anyway.
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06-11-2021, 06:22 PM | #75 |
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Earliest waves of GI Joe did use actual or inspired by real military designs. Some of them were cutting edge but still very real. The JUMP wasn't fantasy even back then. Now the Sunbow toon started out a little wild in the first mini series and went full blown fantasy from there. But that was later OG13 ARAH was true military designs. Which is part of why those first year blueprints are so cool.
That’s why I prefer my Joes on the more realistic side, but Cobra can be as comic bookie as they want.
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06-11-2021, 07:35 PM | #76 |
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This is the kind of stuff Hama would include in the comic that made me feel like what I was reading was a couple of notches more serious than the cartoon. I loved this kind of stuff.
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06-12-2021, 04:36 AM | #77 |
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I should have been more specific. ARAH, was never supposed to be "modern military". It was and IS Military Fantasy. That can be proven after spending about 5 minutes watching the first Sunbow series "The MASS Device".
You're right. I'm sorry. A stunt man flying a jetpack for about five minutes is COMPLETELY the same thing as Grand Slam (of any other Joe) flying around performing complex maneuvers for long distances and zipping past helicopters while firing a completely realistic laser gun. All while not needing an oxygen source or eye protection in most cases. You know what a guy hovering lazily is called? AN EASY TARGET. The fact you don't immediately realize the difference is patently ridiculous. Military. Fantasy. Really? You mean we have fans that got into GI Joe because of the military aspect? Who knew?! Yeah man. The original writers should have totally stuck to real world military reality. That would have made for much better stories than the hundreds of hours of fun they developed. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that they didn't because it was a cartoon, comic and toy line geared towards kids and mostly real world military would have been boring as fuck to an 8 years old. (not to mention INCREDIBLY violent). But Military Fantasy with fantastic characters and larger than life villains? That could be a hit! Oh wait...It WAS. |
06-13-2021, 05:48 AM | #78 |
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Do we even know if Snake-Eyes doesn't have a military background in this movie? Just because they don't show it in the 60 seconds or so of footage in the trailer doesn't mean it's not in the movie.
Snake-Eyes is referred to as being a loner. He may have still lost his family, like in the RAH comics, and has lost direction. When he crosses Tommy's path. So they removed the fact that Tommy and SE served in the military together. But it doesn't mean SE wasn't in the military. Scarlett is also in this movie. I think it's likely she's either tracking Baroness which leads her to the Arishikage and therefore Snake-Eyes. Or she's tracking SE which leads her to the Arishikage and the Baroness. So we really don't know how/if Snake-Eyes is tied to the military at this point. And yes, there has never been one continuity for this brand or Snake-Eyes. So I'm not sure why people are wound so tight about this movie needing to adhere to continuity which has been rewritten with each new media of the brand. |
06-14-2021, 05:43 PM | #79 |
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Ya know what...you're right. I was in an incredibly bad mood Friday and I got aggressive with my response. My sincerist apologies.
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06-20-2021, 12:29 AM | #80 |
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But you are echoing my point. The newer incarnations are pulling popular characters from the 80's but then put a completely new spin on the character and in the case of Renegades, change the storyline altogether. Sgt. Savage and G.I. Joe Extreme gave us completely new characters and Joe storylines and both failed.
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I’d just like to see this IP to be treated with the same respect as the LotR. (Not the Hobbit mind you) I would like to see a Joe film, dare I saw trilogy, treated with an equal level of reverence, class and sophistication. Some may scoff at me comparing the two. No Hama isn’t Tolkien but my inner 9 year old would fight anyone who said otherwise.
But I guess the rub there is we’d need a director/writer on par with Ridley Scott or Michael Mann to achieve that. And unless there is a director of that caliber who is a closet fan,I shouldn’t hope for so much. But I still maintain that the source material demands better films than we have been getting. Quote:
Y'all keep saying "true to the source material" like there's a unified, cohesive source material for Joe. There is not, and never has been.
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It lacks international presence. If you read comments on other sites you get "GI Joe is dead", "GI Joe is a relic of the 80s", "no one wants that military focused Reagan era US wank". Theres lot of negative and hostile reactions to the brand by folks now it feels, it needs a reinvention to work.
They need new blood, they need more international interest in the property to really go anywhere in this global marketplace. Paramount tried to build up a more international friendly looking GI Joe movie with the last two but still it only had a very minor success. I do agree with this.
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