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06-18-2009, 06:51 PM | #171 |
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Unfortunately the Captain America you must be talking about is the insane 50's commie-killing Captain America, not the classic Steve Rogers Captain America.
Because the real Captain America isn't about jingoism and blind loyalty to his nation (which is exactly what most of the "patriots" in this thread are basically espousing), and hasn't been for oh...several decades now. Even earlier than the 80's...stretching all the way back to the "Secret Empire" storyline of the 70's. Though I would note: There's probably one single reason why the upcoming movie isn't just called "Captain America." It's called "The First Avenger: Captain America." Even MARVEL Studios itself is making that title in the hopes that the Avengers tie will be enough to get international audiences interested. Its cute that you bring up the subtitle and all, but its still Captain America who wears an American flag as his costume. |
06-18-2009, 06:58 PM | #172 |
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Neither is classic GI JOE ARAH for that matter.
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Its cute that you bring up the subtitle and all, but its still Captain America who wears an American flag as his costume.
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06-18-2009, 06:59 PM | #173 |
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Dude, there are two asians where I work named Roy, two named Wanda, one named Emily, and an increadibly famous one named Bruce that was so badass he killed Chuck Norris.
Mark Twain also had a Tom and Jim, both black in his very famous stories. Richard (Dick) Roundtree was the immortal Shaft. And Harry A. Cole was the first black judge to serve on Maryland's state supreme court, and then there's Smokin' Joe Frazier. As much as I hate to utterly obliterate your narrow-ass view of the great, white world (a lie, I love doing that to people), your continued arguments just make you look even more uninformed and your opinions even less researched. Oh yeah, and for those mentioning Capt. America, it should be noted that in recent years (like, since the 80s) he's become a thorough deconstruction of blind patriotism and flag-waving. |
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06-18-2009, 07:00 PM | #174 |
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right, what is that one out of a million? if you look in a chineese phone book you might find a joe, but chances are very slim jack.. you sayin that is racist is actually sayin the term every dick tom an harry is racist.. cus a majority of toms dicks an harrys are caucasion... you gotta come better then that my man..
And the example is Japanese. (but an anime character so it doesn't count).
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06-18-2009, 07:20 PM | #175 |
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Are you serious? You honestly believe that Hasbro and Paramount don't have entire marketing departments whose sole purpose is to discern just how popular and successful their products are, and forecast the kinds of things that can be done to make them sell better? You honestly don't believe that Hasbro tracks information on how well its' own products are selling year-by-year?
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Funny how you're evidencing the opposite of what G.I. Joe ARAH stands for, then. I dont' recall rampant jingoistic nationalism, and intolerance of other nationalities being among G.I. Joe's virtues, but I guess you were exposed to a different G.I. Joe than I was.
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Which does absolutely nothing to negate my point. Captain America may still very well completely bomb outside the US. The point is that the subtitle and the Avengers tie-in exists to try to offset that. The same way three secondary Joe characters are being made into other nationalities in the movie to try to offset the perception that it's a bunch of "ugly Americans" forcing their will on other nations.
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06-18-2009, 07:27 PM | #176 |
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Kind of hard to come up with too much hard data for how well Hasbro's product is selling when Hasbro keeps their production numbers as proprietary information. So no..."Someone else" can't do it...least of all the fans on this board who somehow seem to assume that "RAH" Joe would somehow automatically be as successful worldwide today as it was in the 80's.
As for false perceptions...you have yet to offer any real evidence to counter that it's a false perception. Beyond that, you've clearly never heard the expression that "Perception is reality." But it's pointless to continue debating. You're bound and determined to believe what you believe in spite of anything that might be presented to the contrary, and you have no real evidence to back up your position. Feel free to keep pissing into the wind if you like though. |
06-18-2009, 07:30 PM | #177 |
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The whole point ot all of this is what is so wrong with the title American Hero that it has to be changed?
How are we ugly Americans exerting our will on others? Did you know that American sends more $ support ot the UN that all the other member nations combined? When there has been starvation in African nations like Ethiopia and Somalia who are among the first ones in with food and medical supplies? We went to war with Iraq (and please let's not argue about that one) and waht are we doing now? Spending millions and millions to build schools and hospitals to try and make life better for the common person. Are we making them give up Islam? No. We are helping them establish a democracy where they will have a choice in which branch of Islam they want to worship, without fear of government reprisal, something they did not have under Saddam. How is promoting democracy for people who want it forcing our will on others? And how is being proud of the flag and the good things about our nation that it represents blind loyalty? |
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06-18-2009, 07:33 PM | #178 |
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you aint obliterating shit son, an never said anything about a white world lol or it being great geek.. you keep trying to make it racist... just sit there an keep making those lil pictures dork. an kind'a funny i'd be a racist an have african american god parents. got costa rican an pr friends boat load of african american friends. nice try though dork.. now go back to making your lil pics to toss in threads you geek..
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there you go diafram, i dont see no joe on the list ..
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06-18-2009, 07:46 PM | #180 |
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Ya know there is a lot of talk in this thread about how other countries don't like us because they view us as "exerting our will" all over the world. That other countries don't like "ugly americans."
F*CK THEM! They love us fine enough when they come askin for money. If America is so damn bad how come we have thousands and thousands of folks illegally sneakin in? You would think they would be goin the other direction. Yep we got problems. Our last president left a lot of folks with a bad taste in their mouth. We overspend and underproduce. We contribute in a massive amount to the damage being done to the environment. But we do a lot of good things too. So to all those countries who hate America...keep your hands in your own pockets and out of us "ugly Americans." |
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