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10-21-2016, 12:34 AM | #121 |
Ne Plus Ulta
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A lot of what was said is right on. But the standard issue politically correct patronizing dungheap described by Goldsman and Co. should not be the answer. Those ideas sound like they're devoid of everything that made GI Joe what it is - GREAT! And turn it into some kind of limp-dick cross between Captain Planet, Fat Albert and the Smurfs.
Some focus-group-tested multicultural teens discover some magical fairy powers and use them in the fight for social justice! As usual, the enemy will be big bad corporate America just like every other movie or TV show Hollywood has spooned out in the past 20 years.
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10-21-2016, 01:12 AM | #122 |
Cobra Interrogator
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So many of these posts miss the point. Right now Marvel is hitting it out of the park every single time. They do it because they have highly entertaining characters played by extremely talented actors. They connect emotionally with the audiences and they are (99% of the time) extremely entertaining to watch. Go check out Avengers 2. You ever notice that the best parts of the movie are when the Avengers are just goofing off? Joss Whedon could make a whole movie where these people do nothing but bullshit with each other and it would be fantastic because he understands how to make entertaining characters and engaging human interactions.
Here's another example: Rewind back to 2003. This was the year "Pirates of the Caribbean" came out. Literally nobody was asking for a pirate movie. There was no pirate movie franchise that needed to be revived. Every pirate movie in recent decades was box office poison. And then "Pirates of the Caribbean" came out and it was a huge hit. Why? It's not because pirates are inherently interesting or the pirate genre was a gold mine waiting to be struck. It's because Johnny Depp and Geoffery Rush played two of the most hilariously interesting and entertaining characters in the history of film. And that's Hasbro's problem right now. Actually, it's the same problem almost every company is having right now. People keep saying, "If the movie has X..." or "If we set it in Y time period..." or "If we make it like it was in Z decade...." then people will like it! WRONG! If you make it a good, interesting story with entertaining characters that we can emotionally connect with, then it will be successful. Literally NONE of Marvel's recent movies or TV shows have exactly duplicated the Marvel Comics. Not one. And yet now Marvel's movie universe is the dominant one. I don't care about Marvel comics anymore, but I LOVE Marvel's movies. And people who never read a Marvel comic in their entire lives are throwing money at Marvel because their movies are fantastic. TLDR: It doesn't matter if GI Joe adopts this or that storyline, or whether it matches ARAH precisely or not. If they focus on making a competent movie with engaging and entertaining characters, then they will succeed. And who knows? If the films are fantastic, they might replace ARAH as the new "dominant" version. Or people can keep throwing shit at a wall and see what sticks. If the characters and the story are no good, it won't make any difference at all. Last edited by solosam; 10-21-2016 at 01:16 AM.. |
10-21-2016, 11:05 AM | #123 |
Ne Plus Ulta
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So many of these posts miss the point. Right now Marvel is hitting it out of the park every single time. They do it because they have highly entertaining characters played by extremely talented actors. They connect emotionally with the audiences and they are (99% of the time) extremely entertaining to watch. Go check out Avengers 2. You ever notice that the best parts of the movie are when the Avengers are just goofing off? Joss Whedon could make a whole movie where these people do nothing but bullshit with each other and it would be fantastic because he understands how to make entertaining characters and engaging human interactions.
If Hasbro wants to do this, I don't understand why they're not using Transformers as the launching pad. Please inform me if they are. ROM, Micronauts, and M.A.S.K. in easier together into a shared universe with Transformers than with the JOEs. I guess you can throw the Visionaires in there too because MOTU has that blend of magic and tech. Quote:
And that's Hasbro's problem right now. Actually, it's the same problem almost every company is having right now. People keep saying, "If the movie has X..." or "If we set it in Y time period..." or "If we make it like it was in Z decade...." then people will like it! WRONG!
If you make it a good, interesting story with entertaining characters that we can emotionally connect with, then it will be successful. Literally NONE of Marvel's recent movies or TV shows have exactly duplicated the Marvel Comics. Not one. And yet now Marvel's movie universe is the dominant one. I don't care about Marvel comics anymore, but I LOVE Marvel's movies. And people who never read a Marvel comic in their entire lives are throwing money at Marvel because their movies are fantastic. Quote:
TLDR: It doesn't matter if GI Joe adopts this or that storyline, or whether it matches ARAH precisely or not. If they focus on making a competent movie with engaging and entertaining characters, then they will succeed. And who knows? If the films are fantastic, they might replace ARAH as the new "dominant" version.
Hasbro would stand a lot better chance of this working if they weren't trying to shoehorn a brand that used real weapon and developmental weapons systems and recognizable characters with brands that used sci fi and magic. That's not to say the shit wouldn't work, but it's a longer row to hoe and I feel that it's not only asking a little too much of the JOE fan base, but it's disrespectful to us.
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11-03-2016, 05:46 AM | #124 |
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Better writers.
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11-11-2016, 06:17 PM | #125 |
Iron Grenadier
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So many of these posts miss the point. Right now Marvel is hitting it out of the park every single time. They do it because they have highly entertaining characters played by extremely talented actors. They connect emotionally with the audiences and they are (99% of the time) extremely entertaining to watch. Go check out Avengers 2. You ever notice that the best parts of the movie are when the Avengers are just goofing off? Joss Whedon could make a whole movie where these people do nothing but bullshit with each other and it would be fantastic because he understands how to make entertaining characters and engaging human interactions.
They made a movie about Star Trek....and it flopped. Then they made a movie about Kirk, Spock and McCoy (and others) and it was a success. What made the original TV series so successful wasn't that it a spae opera, but about people and how they interacted. |
11-12-2016, 12:24 AM | #126 |
Cobra Viper
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The boys and I just watched Retaliation again (it'd been about a year). There's a lot of butt-kicking military action to love in there. Live-action portrayals of Cobra Commander, Firefly, Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Jinx, Roadblock, Flint, Lady Jaye, Joe Colton, Cobra Troopers, and red ninjas were well done! In many ways it was the comic come to life. A HISS tank battle, and a chase with a Water Moccasin-like vehicle. Solid.
Next time I hope they stick with that tone, include more movie versions of classic GIJoe and Cobra vehicles, and focus on a different core group of characters. I could really do without the ninja stuff next time. As great as the mountain ninja sequence was (and it was GREAT), the whole ninja thing feels played out, and an unnecessary distraction from the rest of it. They should model the next one after stories like Issues #6-7 and Yearbook #2, with running battles between the Joes, Cobra, and maybe the October Guard over a McGuffin of some sort. Like many issues of Special Missions, the Joes should be out in some wilderness on their own with little support, and they have to improvise and adapt to prevail in unexpected circumstances. You don't have to spend a lot of time explaining who Cobra is, and trying to fit everything into modern society or continuity with prior movies. It's a PG-13 adventure/war movie; you're briefed on your way to the LZ (where the team is dropped with an APC and a couple AWE Strikers), and the world unfolds through the eyes of the Joes, as they work their way towards the goal, with lots of battles, ambushes, twists, turns and surprises along the way. The Cobra Enemy would be led by the likes of Major Bludd, Tombstone, Copperhead, and Scrap Iron, with lots of troopers and Viper specialists. Their technological superiority and sheer numbers would make a formidable challenge. The audience being immersed into the mission with the team in the context of the jungle or desert environment should help with the suspension of disbelief needed to make Cobra seem like the Cobra we know and love. After all their high-tech hardware is shot up and demolished in multiple battles, the team is down to their wits and training to try to make it to the extraction. Lots of opportunity to build up some of Hama's great GI Joe characters for a movie audience. Make it an unapologetic, macho, action extravaganza. It would have elements of Retaliation, Guns of Navarone, the 1st 15 minutes of Predator, Delta Force, Black Hawk Down and the Expendables. But keep the violence bloodless; you want it to be exciting and thrilling, not ugly and disturbing. When was the last time we got a movie like that? Who wouldn't want to see that a couple times on the big screen? And what 9 year-old who watched that movie wouldn't be hooked and BEGGING for a bunch of those vehicles and figures? Last edited by ranquet; 11-12-2016 at 12:51 AM.. |
11-12-2016, 04:35 AM | #127 |
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I haven't even watched Retaliation yet, to be honest (though I've heard at least one major spoiler regarding a primary character thanks to being on the 'Tank). I mostly thought of the movie as nothing more than another opportunity for the toy line to gain a foothold. I've never been as much of a follower of any particular continuity as much as I have been of the toys themselves, so I can't say for sure what I do or don't want out of another movie. With that in mind, I thought Rise of Cobra was OK, but it didn't live up to my wildest expectations by any measure. I'll have to watch Retaliation one of these days, but it's not high up on my list of priorities.
I can more surely say that I don't care for the idea of an expanded universe, though. I think Hasbro's taking the wrong idea away from Marvel's success. Most of Marvel's characters were originally written to (be able to) interact with each other in their original comic medium; the "expanded universe" thing is only really notable for being successful in a movie format. By contrast, most of Hasbro's properties weren't designed to interact with one another. (Heck, even Transformers was 2 different entirely-separate product and story lines before Hasbro got ahold of them.)
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11-12-2016, 05:06 AM | #128 |
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4. No Political Discussion at all.
No Jokes, no flash animations, no political signatures, nothing. It was not a joke. He is an actor too. Sorry.
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11-12-2016, 10:07 AM | #129 |
Cobra Soldier
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I'd like to see a complete reboot of the movies and have them start from the beginning. Start from the 80's characters based on the comic books IN the 80's. This way they have plenty of room and material to work with. Stick to the origin stories that are already there too. Base it all on that era's military gear and technology, with a slight edge.
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11-12-2016, 06:19 PM | #130 |
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I'd like to see a complete reboot of the movies and have them start from the beginning. Start from the 80's characters based on the comic books IN the 80's. This way they have plenty of room and material to work with. Stick to the origin stories that are already there too. Base it all on that era's military gear and technology, with a slight edge.
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