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01-19-2008, 05:31 PM | #21 |
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Lets wait and see, it's all in the pitch.
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01-19-2008, 05:41 PM | #22 |
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do you know why Frank Miller's movies do so well? 300 & Sin City, because he makes them JUST LIKE THE COMIC. he's not trying to appease to every generation. he makes it one way, the right way, they are awesome and people love it. those movies are already classics in my eyes.
...but from a commercial standpoint, Transformers probably did much better than those two :( Sin City and 300 are excellent films. I don't see a lot of merit in translating a comic "as is" though - It's as if both Rodriguez and Snyder had it all "served", if you know what I'm saying. After all, a director's job is to decide how he's going to tell the tale he has to tell. If everything is already storyboarded and so on, well... But still, excellent films nonetheless. The key is to find that healthy middle point, where you produce a film that is successful both from a commercial and artistic (?) point of view.
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01-19-2008, 05:42 PM | #23 |
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Personally, I am looking forward to it. But then I look at some movies as "fun" rather than taking them seriously.
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01-19-2008, 10:51 PM | #24 |
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just because something makes a ton of money doesn't make it "good". you can't be serious. most independent films are 10X better than those garbage blockbuster movies. get me?
in the late 90's, P. Diddy made a ton of money. his music always sucked. so does that make him one of the best rapper's because he made more than anyone out? i think not. |
01-19-2008, 11:26 PM | #25 |
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Originally Posted by OUTBACK
do you know why Frank Miller's movies do so well? 300 & Sin City, because he makes them JUST LIKE THE COMIC. he's not trying to appease to every generation. he makes it one way, the right way, they are awesome and people love it. those movies are already classics in my eyes.
. I look back on when the cartoon came out -which is about the time I lost interest back in the 80's. Characters stayed pretty much the same and the backstory changed. The Joes no longer seemed to kill "people". They blew up robots, all pilots were able to parachute out as their aircraft exploded, etc. Television suitable for kids to watch on Saturday mornings along with the smurfs. A bit of a distance from the comic book in which it was more acceptable for humans to get killed. Now the movie will likely be a completely different take on the backstory. And I expect it will be as different from the comic continuity as the cartoon series was. I don't read anyone bashing the cartoon on here (I haven't looked for it though). I would suggest we accept the movie for what it is when it does come out. The toy line will likely change, and I anticipate a change of focus from the classic ARAH to the new movie characters around the time it comes out. So just enjoy what we got now, and keep an open mind to where it is going. If you keep relatively low expectations and an open mind towards the movie, you just might enjoy it! |
01-20-2008, 12:07 AM | #26 |
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Which came first, the toy line or the comic? I tend to think the comic and it's continuity is secondary. The toy line was the primary product and the comic was essentially marketing material.
I look back on when the cartoon came out -which is about the time I lost interest back in the 80's. Characters stayed pretty much the same and the backstory changed. The Joes no longer seemed to kill "people". They blew up robots, all pilots were able to parachute out as their aircraft exploded, etc. Television suitable for kids to watch on Saturday mornings along with the smurfs. A bit of a distance from the comic book in which it was more acceptable for humans to get killed. Now the movie will likely be a completely different take on the backstory. And I expect it will be as different from the comic continuity as the cartoon series was. I don't read anyone bashing the cartoon on here (I haven't looked for it though). I would suggest we accept the movie for what it is when it does come out. The toy line will likely change, and I anticipate a change of focus from the classic ARAH to the new movie characters around the time it comes out. So just enjoy what we got now, and keep an open mind to where it is going. If you keep relatively low expectations and an open mind towards the movie, you just might enjoy it!
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01-20-2008, 12:12 AM | #27 |
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just because something makes a ton of money doesn't make it "good". you can't be serious. most independent films are 10X better than those garbage blockbuster movies. get me?
In case you were talking to me: All I said was that Sin City and 300 were probably nowhere as successful from a commercial standpoint as Transformers was. My point being that Hasbro and Paramount aim at making money first and foremost, unfortunately. OF COURSE Sin City and 300 are eons above Transformers from an artistic standpoint.
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01-20-2008, 06:30 AM | #28 |
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Personnally, I (and my son) want to be entertained...period!!!! I could care less what the critics or anyone else has to say about the film. As long as we come out of the theatre and I see a big smile on his face and he asks me if there'll be a sequel, I'll be happy!
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01-20-2008, 07:36 AM | #29 |
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Wow, I didn't know people who like stuff from the 80's were 'old dudes' now...Especially since I'm 25...
At 25, we were around when... regan was president. Betamax, VCD and vinyl records and vhs were dominant or abundant. NO ONE had a cell phone people didnt have computers at homes. a "big" video game was 32kb in size lol Internet? not yet. The Cold war had just ended. Fuel injection in cars wasn't common yet. automatic transmissions were a luxury not a norm. And soooo much more. |
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01-20-2008, 12:46 PM | #30 |
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BTW, to the people that think Transformers "sucked" have some serious issues. I can see an out-look of it could of been better, but can't we say that about almost any movie in existence? It however did not suck. Making an adaptation from a cartoon made for kids into a live action movie made to please EVERY age group and not make it seem corny is insanely hard.
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I think that has a lot to do with why some of you didn't like Transformers....If it sucked that bad it wouldn't of done as well as it did at the box office.
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Sin City and 300 are excellent films. I don't see a lot of merit in translating a comic "as is" though - It's as if both Rodriguez and Snyder had it all "served", if you know what I'm saying. After all, a director's job is to decide how he's going to tell the tale he has to tell. If everything is already storyboarded and so on, well...
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Originally Posted by Moses
Which came first, the toy line or the comic? I tend to think the comic and it's continuity is secondary. The toy line was the primary product and the comic was essentially marketing material.
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I don't read anyone bashing the cartoon on here
Look, it's possible to deliver a genre film and deliver a quality film. That's all I ask. Chris Nolan did it. Robert Rodriguez did it. Zack Snyder did it. Bryan Singer has done it with two properties, although his second attempt would have been better in a new continuity. Guillermo del Toro has done it with two franchises. David Slade did it (with some screenwriting help from Stuart Beattie, no less). Only two of those guys accomplished that by sticking exclusively to the original source material. I'm not personally asking for a 100% adaptation of the comics; I just want quality. |
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