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01-29-2015, 07:29 PM | #1 |
Ne Plus Ulta
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Considering that Hollywood if ever does anything new, is it viable for Paramount and Hasbro to follow the model that Disney/Marvel has laid out and which also seems to be the path that WB/DC is going down, which is to pick some core characters, feature the core characters in the their own films, and have those characters come together in a bigger movie?
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01-29-2015, 07:40 PM | #2 |
Cobra Viper
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It'll never happen. GI Joe doesn't have the standalone characters that superheroes have. If it were to happen it would be different characters have main roles in different movies, while they take turns in lesser roles depending on the theme.
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01-29-2015, 07:41 PM | #3 |
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Snake eyes movie, I think this is where you are going. I would watch it, but I doubt it will happen. We are doing good to get Gijoe 3.
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01-29-2015, 07:59 PM | #4 |
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In a way this is needed because G.I. Joe has so many characters, it's hard to get any significant development on very many of them in a regular movie. At least with the cartoons, a single episode could focus on just a handful of characters. How can a movie develop every G.I. Joe character in the roster that it would be featuring?
Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow could easily be paired off in their own movie. A smaller movie with, say, Zartan and his 'noks facing off against a small Joe team could work. A "Cobra" movie with the full origin of Cobra Commander and his organization could be good. Shipwreck could stand alone in the same way that Wolverine did from X-Men. Then these individual movies could have more down-to-earth battles without every movie having to be about the complete end of the world. It all comes down to what they want to make of it. There was a time people didn't even think any one would want to see an Iron Man movie. Who ever heard of Iron Man, they said? Captain America was another property no one wanted to touch. Ant-Man? Really? If smart producers work off the existing Joe material, they can build a massive franchise with tons of movies. They have a similar large roster of appealing characters to Marvel. Likewise DC has a great roster, but they can't get their act together on the movies outside of Bats and Supes. |
01-29-2015, 08:35 PM | #5 |
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I don't think it would have to be specifically character-centric films, you could also base it off sub-teams: DEF, Night Force, Sky Patrol, Oktober Guard, Drednoks...
Its certainly doable. That said, I honestly believe a live-action TV series (or multiple series) is a better adaptation. |
01-29-2015, 09:37 PM | #6 |
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The problem is, no one outside of toy nerds cares about Snake Eyes or Duke or Storm Shadow, let alone Ripcord or Shipwreck. And toy nerds ain't exactly numerous of numbers or mainstream. Hell, I'm a "fan" and I don't have much interest in watching a Snake Eyes movie.
As for subteams, same issue only worse: no one knows WTF a "Dreadnok" or "Sky Patrol" is. G.I. Joe just isn't anywhere near being on the same level of public recognition as Marvel or DC stuff. Case in point: "Guardians of the Galaxy!? WTF is that?...Oh! Marvel! It's about superheroes! Cool!" Now contrast that to: "Gung Ho? What's that? Looks like a movie about a "Bear" or The Village People or some shit...oh...it's G.I. Joe...you know, that shitty flick from a couple of years ago based on that cheesy cartoon my older brother made me watch once or twice..." |
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01-29-2015, 09:55 PM | #7 |
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You put G.I. Joe in the title just like they put "Avenger" in the first Captain America movie so people know it's tied into the larger brand. And called it "Marvel's" GOTG and Ant-Man in the ads.
Your argument makes no sense. If they shouldn't make a G.I. Joe movie because they made a bad one a couple years ago, then no more G.I. Joe movies should ever be made at all. That's not what was asked here. Not making any movie is not an option here. The option is whether to do more individually focused movies or stick with the big team approach. Nobody expects the movie to make as much as a Marvel movie, just to be on par with the last 2, both of which were profitable enough to do sequels. You're also totally wrong that only "nerds" care about Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow. They're huge characters with awareness beyond the G.I. Joe brand name itself. A G.I. Joe Special Missions TV show would be potentially interesting, but TV is so low budget, any time they try to do anything that spins off from an action movie, it just looks crappy and tends to be boring with not enough action. Last edited by JediJones; 01-29-2015 at 09:59 PM.. |
01-29-2015, 10:57 PM | #8 |
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Quote:
You put G.I. Joe in the title just like they put "Avenger" in the first Captain America movie so people know it's tied into the larger brand. And called it "Marvel's" GOTG and Ant-Man in the ads.
Your argument makes no sense. If they shouldn't make a G.I. Joe movie because they made a bad one a couple years ago, then no more G.I. Joe movies should ever be made at all. That's not what was asked here. Not making any movie is not an option here. The option is whether to do more individually focused movies or stick with the big team approach. Nobody expects the movie to make as much as a Marvel movie, just to be on par with the last 2, both of which were profitable enough to do sequels. You're also totally wrong that only "nerds" care about Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow. They're huge characters with awareness beyond the G.I. Joe brand name itself. A G.I. Joe Special Missions TV show would be potentially interesting, but TV is so low budget, any time they try to do anything that spins off from an action movie, it just looks crappy and tends to be boring with not enough action. It makes perfect sense to anyone who isn't an adult fan of toys. The point is, G.I. Joe has next to no "brand cache" in popular culture--matter of fact, it may just be a "shit brand" nowadays (too associated with something hokey and dated to successfully make the leap to modern audiences)--and it isn't anywhere remotely close to being as valuable--or as marketable--as Marvel. "You're also totally wrong that only 'nerds' care about Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow. They're huge characters with awareness beyond the G.I. Joe brand name itself." Are you really so out of touch? There may be some vague awareness outside of comic readers and toy collectors, but it would be mostly of the, "I remember that cartoon." variety. As far as pop culture characters go, they don't even rate, and certainly not of the same magnitude as Marvel superhero characters. I think a "Snake Eyes" movie could be very successful, but I suspect "G.I. Joe" would have to be removed from the title for that to happen. I could see average guys/gals sitting in a theatre watching a trailer where some awesome masked badass of a ninja/commando/warrior thing is utterly decimating enemies with extreme prejudice and going, "Shit! I want to see that!" Add "G.I. Joe" to it and it suddenly becomes, "Oh, it's that kid's toy!" That happens not just because of the name, "G.I. Joe," but also because G.I. Joe is a kid's toy and Hasbro wants it to be a kid's toy. That means Snake Eyes can't be too realistic of a back-breaking, neck-snapping psychopath. It also means you can't create one helluva war flick about a team of counter-terrorist soldiers who act in a realistically gritty way. Once you attach "G.I. Joe" to it, that team of counter-terrorists soldiers now has to walk a fine line between being taken seriously by adult audiences and remaining "kid friendly." Superheroes have an easier time dealing with this dichotomy. Adults have to suspend disbelief from the get-go--because, well, SUPERHEROES--so while superheroes are expected to deal with some heavy things without crossing certain kid-friendly lines left over from the Golden Age (you'll recall, of course, the geek tantrum over Supes snapping Zod's neck in the Man of Steel), we're not really looking at any of it as real anyway and they get some hefty leeway to be both believable and ridiculous at the same time. But the G.I. Joe team aren't superheroes. They're soldiers, which is as real-ass as real-ass can get. So in a very real sense it's a brand that has to contend with making action movies that appeal to adults while simultaneously somehow making warfare kid-friendly without resorting to camp, kitsch or outright ridiculousness. It's a tall order and it’s why I personally feel G.I. Joe isn’t right for the big screen. It's trying to be all things to all people. Hasbro needs to just pick an audience and concentrate on that audience. |
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01-30-2015, 01:02 AM | #9 |
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G.I. Joe would need to be part of a bigger universe, say one that includes movies about Transformers, Inhumanoids, Visionaries, Jem, C.O.P.S., etc.
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01-30-2015, 01:31 AM | #10 |
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