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04-26-2012, 05:21 PM | #11 |
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...and what's a "chugalug"?
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04-26-2012, 05:40 PM | #12 |
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If there is a third movie, I'd like to think that certain characters were on undercover assignments and therefore exempt from this wholesale assassination, and were forced to go underground.
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04-26-2012, 05:43 PM | #13 |
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The only Chug A Lug I know of is those little bottle fruit drinks for kids.
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04-26-2012, 07:01 PM | #14 |
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Well, the only named Joes we got in ROC that may be wiped out in Retaliation are:
Hawk Duke Breaker Heavy Duty Ripcord Scarlett Sgt. Stone Hawk could easily be explained away as being retired. I wasn't a fan of Quaid's portrayal of him, so I won't really miss him. Duke? Again, Tatum was terrible in ROC, so I won't be upset if Duke is killed. Duke is such a bland character that I won't miss 'em anyway. Breaker? Can easily be replaced by Dial-Tone, Mainframe, or Hi-Tech. Heavy Duty? We have Roadblock now. HD won't be missed. Ripcord? Wayans at least was trying in ROC. It would have been nice to see him continue, but I won't be upset if he's dead. Sgt. Stone? Who cares if he's dead? Only Brandon Fraser. Scarlett is probably the biggest loss. I thought her character was rather dull in the first film. The actress portraying her isn't the strongest performer (try to watch her in the newest Conan movie, I dare you). While I would have liked to see the Snake-Eyes/Scarlett romance touched upon (and expanded) in the films, I don't think it's necessary. Overall, not that many named Joes were/are killed. Duke will probably show up alive at the end (somehow) with the cavalry. Any others can always be explained as being on leave or at other locales. Honestly though, there are dozens of other characters they can use in the future. I'm not going to be heartbroken by any of the cast of ROC not returning. |
04-26-2012, 10:15 PM | #15 |
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Well, the only named Joes we got in ROC that may be wiped out in Retaliation are:
Breaker? Can easily be replaced by Dial-Tone, Mainframe, or Hi-Tech. Scarlett is probably the biggest loss. I thought her character was rather dull in the first film. The actress portraying her isn't the strongest performer (try to watch her in the newest Conan movie, I dare you). While I would have liked to see the Snake-Eyes/Scarlett romance touched upon (and expanded) in the films, I don't think it's necessary. Scarlett is a more complicated issue - I can't remember if they ever used her actual name in RoC. If not, they could still use the character in later films, or they could simply say that she was on a super top secret mission during the events of this film. As far as the actress goes - she had the right look, and it's possible that she could do a better job if the character is written the right way and the direction is good.
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04-27-2012, 03:45 AM | #16 |
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A few points.
Firstly, and I know it isn't a popular stance but I've never been one to "tow the line", the ROC characters and actors do actually have fans out there, and I'm one of them. Having them wiped out 'off screen' is a bit much. Secondly, the fact that the Joes can be so utterly ambushed and murdered doesn't speak much for their abilities. Unlike REVENGE OF THE SITH, where the Jedi were killed by their 'own side', RETALIATION sees the Joes taken by surprise by an 'enemy'. We all saw how crowded the Pit was in ROC... Cobra got in there (and every other Joe facility at the same time) and wiped them all out (without Mole Pods and pulse weapons this time!)? Seems implausible. Especially given the worldwide nature of Joe in this universe... how could the leader of one country (even a fake leader) do that? Thirdly, even if the script infers that some other Joes survive the massacre (god I hope so), it's going to be hard to explain why they don't emerge at the finalé of the film to help the four known survivors (Roadblock, Flint, Jaye and Snake Eyes) take back America. All is over and done with, the credits role, and then in a final coda Scarlett, Breaker and Hawk dash in guns drawn declaring "where do you want us?"... Well, it would be a funny easter egg.
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04-27-2012, 03:52 AM | #17 |
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04-27-2012, 12:06 PM | #18 |
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A few points.
Firstly, and I know it isn't a popular stance but I've never been one to "tow the line", the ROC characters and actors do actually have fans out there, and I'm one of them. Having them wiped out 'off screen' is a bit much. Secondly, the fact that the Joes can be so utterly ambushed and murdered doesn't speak much for their abilities. Unlike REVENGE OF THE SITH, where the Jedi were killed by their 'own side', RETALIATION sees the Joes taken by surprise by an 'enemy'. We all saw how crowded the Pit was in ROC... Cobra got in there (and every other Joe facility at the same time) and wiped them all out (without Mole Pods and pulse weapons this time!)? Seems implausible. Especially given the worldwide nature of Joe in this universe... how could the leader of one country (even a fake leader) do that? Thirdly, even if the script infers that some other Joes survive the massacre (god I hope so), it's going to be hard to explain why they don't emerge at the finalé of the film to help the four known survivors (Roadblock, Flint, Jaye and Snake Eyes) take back America. All is over and done with, the credits role, and then in a final coda Scarlett, Breaker and Hawk dash in guns drawn declaring "where do you want us?"... Well, it would be a funny easter egg. I think it would be plausible if say, they were on a mission in another country and when they found out about the attack they had to go into hiding because there was no way for them to get out of whatever country they were in. I know that. My point was that you could easily bring in "Classic" Breaker with no continuity issues.
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04-27-2012, 01:46 PM | #19 |
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Is that dude in the background missing his head and arms?
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