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11-09-2007, 11:13 PM | #11 |
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You are WRONG. And more than a bit smug.:rolleyes:
Actually...forming judgments and getting angry about a movie that is barely into the casting stage because you're certain you know how it is going to turn out is absolutely illogical. How can you have an opinion about something that is not only not done yet, but really not even begun? Do you decide to send back a meal at a restaurant before it even comes out? Hate an album-in-progress by a band you like because you heard about 15 seconds of one of the tracks-in-progress?
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11-09-2007, 11:15 PM | #12 |
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I question the nature of the enemy in the film. Cobra is a terrorist organization and has been from the beginning. With the sensitivity to global terror I hope they keep it real and do not go soft on the plot like in the animated movies.
I also foresee some issues with the "real american hero" slogan pissing some people off...which I personally think is ridiculous, and I am NOT a die hard buy all american product person. The world we live in is confusing. We can put into action in so many films americans being heros but once the words are actually spoken it becomes offensive. Maybe we could really upset some and make Cobra commander Arabic...just an abrasive thought. Cobra is a group founded by and ruled by an American. Most of it's known members are American or European. If the good guys AND bad guys are basically American or European, how can that possibly be offensive to ANYONE unless they HATE US TO BEGIN WITH? And if one hates America or Western culture to begin with, why do I care about their feelings? |
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11-09-2007, 11:26 PM | #13 |
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Actually...forming judgments and getting angry about a movie that is barely into the casting stage because you're certain you know how it is going to turn out is absolutely illogical. How can you have an opinion about something that is not only not done yet, but really not even begun? Do you decide to send back a meal at a restaurant before it even comes out? Hate an album-in-progress by a band you like because you heard about 15 seconds of one of the tracks-in-progress?
Having an opinion different than yours makes one a separate individual with his or her own opinion, not illogical. I guess it's nice to look down on any veiw different from your own and dismiss the argument behind it while smugly insulting the bearer of said argument. As to your analogy, it does not wash. If the GIJoe movie is made "international" and loses it's traditional American backstory, THAT ALONE is reason enough for many like myself to shun it. You may feel differently yourself and that's your business but do not proclaim from the heavens (smugly) that those who hold the P.O.V. you disagree with to be "illogical". |
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11-09-2007, 11:43 PM | #14 |
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You are WRONG. And more than a bit smug.:rolleyes:
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Having an opinion different than yours makes one a separate individual with his or her own opinion, not illogical. I guess it's nice to look down on any veiw different from your own and dismiss the argument behind it while smugly insulting the bearer of said argument.
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Actually I don't have an opinion about the movie...because I haven't seen it, because we really know next to nothing about it, because all of one actor is even heavily rumored to be in talks to star, because no script has been leaked, no set details or costumes or even concept art exists yet that we know about.
What we know is that an OLD script had the whole Brussels/International team thing attached to it. While I don't really see that as a terrible idea, if what they make is really Super International PC Power Team Go, then I will gladly join you in booing the movie...AFTER I've seen it. Until then I'm going to keep saying that forming an opinion or passing judgment on something that doesn't even exist yet is an illogical position, because it is. Note how I said the position is illogical. That is not an insult of the holder of said position. I haven't made any ad hominem attacks and I don't plan to, because that's silly and reductive. I don't know anything about you, except the positions you've stated here, which I can disagree with, because this is a discussion board, and that's what discussion is.
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11-10-2007, 12:11 AM | #16 |
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No, I'm just not insecure. There's a difference.
I'd like to suggest reading what's been said, rather than looking for and imagining an insult, as this has nothing to do with your opinion. You don't know anything about the story or the script, because you haven't read it. You haven't even seen a summary of it. All you've seen are phony stories, blog posts, and one press release. You're reacting angriy to rumors you read on the internet and getting defensive when anyone suggests that you simply wait and see. That is what's not logical. 1)There have been a slew of varied media reports (television, internet, radio) stating that studio execs are planning on taking the "American" out of "A Real American Hero" for the upcoming 170 million dollar movie. 2)Hasbro issues a press release (linked in this thread) in response to fan concern that in no clear way denies the international team reports. 3)And you think it's illogical to assume that Hasbro is in fact doing what many of us fear? I think YOUR logic is very flawed on this point. |
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11-10-2007, 12:40 AM | #17 |
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I think the problem with the GI Joe boards is we all have preconceived notions of how it should go. We've been reading the comics and watching the cartoons for 25 years. This movie will be to introduce the concept of GI Joe to a new generation and to the world and hopefully sell a crapload of toys.
I'm not sure why the so called de-Americanization HAS to be some sinister plot constructed to "not piss people off". Could it not be so the movie can be released internationally to make money? Think about it. Why would a normal everyday person in Japan, France, South Africa etc... want to go see a movie with the tag line of "A Real American Hero"? Would you want to go see a movie with the tagline "A Real Bulgarian Hero"? Why not make it in a way so everyone can enjoy it? Movies are made to make money and sometimes entertain NOT to preserve ones romantic notions of their childhood. I think people latch on to the idea that everyone hates America a little too much. Everything is a plot to hate America? I don't buy it. Sure there are people out there (me being one of them and I AM American) that doesn't see eye to eye on everything our goverment does but hate is a little strong. I'll reserve my judgement when we're a little farther past the rumor stage. Because that is all everything is right now...a rumor. Even the so called official stuff from Hasbro. |
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1)There have been a slew of varied media reports (television, internet, radio) stating that studio execs are planning on taking the "American" out of "A Real American Hero" for the upcoming 170 million dollar movie.
2)Hasbro issues a press release (linked in this thread) in response to fan concern that in no clear way denies the international team reports. 3)And you think it's illogical to assume that Hasbro is in fact doing what many of us fear? I think YOUR logic is very flawed on this point. 2. Hasbro's press release says the movie will feature characters and locations from around the world. Many Cobra AND GI Joe characters are international. And Cobra constantly ran operations in foreign locales. 3. Assumptions based on scant evidence are by nature illogical. There is no movie to be angry about. Yet. Given that there is no movie, not even the beginning of a movie, not even a confirmed script or cast list, it isn't logical to get all worked up to hate something that doesn't exist yet.
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I'm not sure why the so called de-Americanization HAS to be some sinister plot constructed to "not piss people off". Could it not be so the movie can be released internationally to make money? Movies are made to make money and sometimes entertain NOT to preserve ones romantic notions of their childhood. I think people latch on to the idea that everyone hates America a little too much. Everything is a plot to hate America? I don't buy it. Sure there are people out there (me being one of them and I AM American) that doesn't see eye to eye on everything our government does but hate is a little strong. I don't think the "international" thing is a sinister plot. Just a poorly made business decision wich compromises the essence of the source material. It's good to have American heroes like GIJoe in our culture. That doesn't mean I think other nation's heroes are worthless... just that they are not GIJoe. I like James Bond Movies. I regularly watch foregn produced movies. I like other cultures. As a matter of fact what makes them great IS that they are different from mine. They are unique, they have their own history and lore and heroes. => And so do we. And GIJoe is one of 'em. And I don't think everyone hates America just that corporations often take the safest route at the time, not the most honorable. |
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11-10-2007, 01:43 AM | #20 |
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1. Many published reports do not equal truth. They equal an unconfirmed rumor that got spread fast thanks to the internet.
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2. Hasbro's press release says the movie will feature characters and locations from around the world. Many Cobra AND GI Joe characters are international. And Cobra constantly ran operations in foreign locales.
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3. Assumptions based on scant evidence are by nature illogical.
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