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05-13-2024, 12:08 PM | #101 |
Crimson Guard
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This is something that I think the cartoon did much better than the comics. In the comics, everyone ties back to one specific character, sometimes even one specific event. In the cartoon, back stories can be similar (because they would be) but there's also no indication of previous friendships or relationships*. I also think it did a better job of expanding the world by giving characters individual motivations and goals, sometimes aligning with their factions, sometimes not. We see a lot more disagreements between Joes in the show, Destro has his own company that sometimes sells to Cobra, Tomax and Xamot have Extensive Enterprises, which is only affiliated with Cobra. It's great. I even think they did the "retired Joe" thing better, with Sparks only getting peripherally involved, unlike Grunt repeatedly returning to the action.
*The obvious exception is Baroness uncovering that Lady Jaye was a distant relation to Destro, but even that was handled in a "it's buried in family paperwork" way that doesn't make the world seem smaller. I always maintain that Snake Eyes was best before issue 21. Specifically, that scene where he and Kwinn win a Cadillac in a craps game, and we find out that he even took the guys hat, just to be a jerk. That one action says so much, yet barely takes any time in the comic. I wish Hama wrote like that more often. The other thing is that Duke was a figure specifically designed to be "GI Joe team leader" whereas Hawk was essentially the most generic 1982 figure possible. I suspect that the only reason he was made into the team leader was to make the MMS a bit more of a must-own toy, since it doesn't really have the pop of a tank or a jeep. At the end of the day, Duke's a great character on the cartoon, and there's room for him, General Hawk and Stalker too. GI Joe is a big organization. I used to be on the Hawk side when I was a young kid: we had the 1986 Hawk, a handful of early comics, and our Duke was the Tiger Force version. My older siblings had decided in the wake of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal that TF Duke looked like Bill Clinton, so therefore he became a lecherous idiot. Meanwhile Hawk was a cool guy in a leather jacket and camo pants who looked like he walked out of Airwolf or JAG. So Hawk was the cool leader, and Duke was a dope. At some point, TF Duke got broken and 1993 Battle Corps Duke became Duke, my older siblings aged out, and I started watching the cartoon, where Duke is pretty much a cranky, veteran bada**, who gets to yell at people a lot. So suddenly Duke looks cooler and yells at everyone, which makes him fun. Add to that the fact that 1993 Duke looked a lot like our real troops who I saw on the news all the time in those early post-9/11 days, and suddenly this kid didn't see Duke the same way anymore. Duke was the cool one, and Hawk was the paper pusher. And that's really still the same way I see it today, though I try to be a bit easier on Hawk than "paper pusher". |
05-13-2024, 01:55 PM | #102 |
Cobra Soldier
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I used to primarily collect Transformers and this is prevalent in Transformers.
For every good gimmick like Combiners or Minicons or Transmetals, You got Transmetal 2, Botshots, powercore combiners, spring loaded transformations. I could go on |
05-13-2024, 01:58 PM | #103 |
Just a fan
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05-13-2024, 02:27 PM | #104 |
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05-13-2024, 03:41 PM | #105 |
Fartbutt McGillicuddy
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"everything i dont like gets killed everything i do like is snake eyes related or snake eyes."
yeah, that's really cool. |
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