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05-27-2010, 01:54 PM | #11 |
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The sarcasm comment was in reference to the OPs post.
But yes, the Joe rank structure is really screwed up. Don't even get me going on the cartoon.. Hawk, Duke, Flint and then Beachhead??? Duke's not even in the Top Ten in rank. Steeler outranks Duke.
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05-27-2010, 01:56 PM | #12 |
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As far as the army rank is concerned there is no set rank that you have to be upon entering the army. I was e-1 my college graduate pg (platoon guide) in basic was e-4. Also you are missing master sergeant and command sergeant major, e-8 and e-9 have personnel sides as well as administrative.
MattyMatt - All I'm saying is that if your trying to post an informative rank structure (US Military) chart with a bit of information on what each does in relation to rank. Keep opinions out of it or stick with the branch you know best (USMC). Otherwise create a "Why the Corps kick everybody's ass." As for respect in rank, believe it or not it happens everywhere. When I was with the MEU I regularly had to remind my Marines that they were in the presence of Senior NCO, even if I wore an eagle rather than a globe. My best friend was a Range Sgt. and you wouldn't the disrespect he would get from his own kind simply because they saw him as a 'has-been' (no longer in the field). You get these types in all branches. Respect for the person has to be earned. But respect for the chevrons are required without question. As for Joe ranking... Well, it's not perfect for sure. But there's another thread on that somewhere.
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05-27-2010, 02:20 PM | #13 |
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I should have put a military ranks IMHO on it instead lol
and the marines kick everyones ass thing lol I Blame Hasbro for making us wait so long for new product look at what its doing lol
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05-27-2010, 02:27 PM | #14 |
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It would make sense to me for other branches to offer the same incentives so they could keep getting new blood. Then again when has the military ever made sense.
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05-27-2010, 03:58 PM | #15 |
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When it comes to how we interacted with other branches of service... we in the Air Force knew we had it pretty cushy, but we also knew we had a job to do. I was in munitions (storage, inspection, assembly, testing, and delivery to the flight-line). We knew that if we didn't do our job right the first time, our guys died. Not just the pilots, but the troops going in to the areas that AF guys bombed out a day or 2 earlier. The only beef I had with other branches of service were when the other guys thought they were better than us, or when the off duty marines would kick the shit out of our guys downtown on payday because they didn't have anyone to kill at the moment, and wanted some extra cash to blow on whores. That was a small percentage of marines, but it gave them a bad name to us because of it. On another note, I played a lot of roller hockey when I was in Okinawa. That gave all of us a great way to let off steam. And with that, all services got along just fine. It even helped a few us get some respect while in uniform because our hockey brothers from other services stood up for us. I played goalie and it was nice that a marine would stick his neck out for me to his buddies to make sure I wasn't shit upon by some jerk. If you are out there, thanks Jason. As for the Joes ranking stucture, I agree that the lowest ranking Joe should have been an E-6, regardless of branch of service. They were supposed to be "the best of the best". And as for the 4 dudes in charge as listed in the cartoon, the only explanation I could remotely swallow is this: In a supreme Special Forces unit, rank is suspended in order to allow experience and specialty the merits to get the job done. Last, I wanna say this, to all current and former members of the armed forces, yes, you puddle jumpers are included, you have my thanks and my respect. Eternally.
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05-27-2010, 04:10 PM | #16 |
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^ This
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05-27-2010, 04:59 PM | #17 |
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I get the ranks, (active military 8yrs). But i just received my Reactive Armor Ripcord and it has him listed as an E-4 not E-8
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05-28-2010, 01:38 PM | #18 |
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Thanks to the those who support those of us who served.
In an effort to salvage this thread that is supposed to be about rank I did a search of this breakdown that I did for another post. Officers Rank: O-1 through O-10 Role: College trained leaders. Officers are commissioned rather than enlisted. The difference, that they are appointed rather the "signed up". These are the upper echelon of the command structure. "Zeroes" rarely ever see battlefield time and are usually specialized in a certain field (such as pilot, leadership, engineering). Certain specialties, such as doctors or pilots, don't contain alot of leadership responsibility outside the rank until they reach higher grades. And even then, they are usually in charge of a "corps de esprit" (particular type of unit). Becoming and officer: You can become an officer by either enrolling in a military academy (Air Force, Army, Navy), graduating with a 4 year degree while in ROTC (Reserve Officers Training Corps), or enlisting and applying for a commission. The third option is often the hardest but is often the most revered by the non-commissioned troops. Warrant Officers Rank: C/WO-1 through C/WO-4 Role: Warrant Officers are specialized officers who are appointed as such through merit and accomplishment in their field. While they are specialized in certain fields, they are often tasked to take on leadership roles beyond their actual specialties. "WOs" are often placed in charge of units such and take on much of the on-hand leadership roles without all the desk work of being a fully commission officer. Becoming a Warrant Officer: To become a WO varies from branch-to-branch of service. Unlike commissioned officers, WOs are not required to have college degrees. They are appointed by their own request and are awarded the rank by merit. WOs are also called "Mustangs" as to be a Warrant Officer, you would have to have been enlisted. Non-Commission Officers Rank: E-4 through E-9 Role: Field Leadership. In the US Navy NCOs are called Petty Officers (or Chief Petty Officers for E-7 and above). These are the middle management of the military. They are out in the trenches and fighting the fight day in and day out. They are well experienced and have the most on-hand knowledge of their jobs. NCOs, while often trained in a particular field (called MOS or Ratings) are often called upon to do the jobs of others and are trained to handle many different situations. Becoming an NCO: Simply put, doing the time. While the promotion of enlisted forces differ between branches, most NCOs have at least 4 years experience in their field and have a diverse record of applied assignments. Enlisted personnel are promoted through good merit and military performance. Since promotion is rigorous in some occasions, any rank between E-6 through E-9 is highly regarded as well as respected. Specialists Rank: SPC-4 through SPC-9 Role: Non-Commissioned Officers who are (as their rank implies) are specialized in a particular field. These are often medics, intelligence, or technicians. Currently only the US Army has ranking Specialists while the Navy has secondary NECs (Navy Enlistment Codes) that are attached to their ratings to signify the specialty. Example: AB/F Rating - Aircraft Boatswain Mate/Fueler. Becoming a Specialist: Standard NCOs simply further their training and become specialized in a certain field. Once completing their training they are awarded the classification of specialist. Junior Enlisted: Rank: E-1 through E-3 Role: The "grunts" of most military forces, the junior enlisted are often still in their learning phases. Rarely do they take on leadership roles and are hardly ever asked to make crucial decisions. Their job is to simply get the job done and follow orders. Since most junior enlisted personnel lack experience, they are often called upon in support roles of the NCOs. Becoming a Junior Enlisted: Just sign up. But expect to do all the dirty work with little credit. But if you follow orders and do your job well, your chances of becoming an NCO are great.
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05-28-2010, 01:40 PM | #19 |
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Now in regards to Cobra Rankings...
I looked around and tried to find an established ranking system. But to be honest, there's nothing out there. So by doing a little research with the resources I had (file cards, comic books, cartoons) I came up with not really a rank system but more of a structure. I applied a bit of sociological knowledge as well. Cobra Commander runs his organization much like a corporation (no wonder he employs the Crimson Twins) where he is the CEO and big cheese. All decisions must run by him. The rest of the hierarchy falls into specific roles that meet the needs of the organization. Promotions come and go with the needs of organization. People are given raises not by any scale structure but as they apply to the needs of the company itself. And since also Cobra Commander's organization appeals to that of the more "thuggish" of nature. It is implied that a more "gang" structure is in place. You have Generals and Captains, foot soldiers and specialists. All of which are given due pay and respect as they perform their jobs. For example: Destro, although involved in his own activities is an ally and given leadership powers such as that of a Gang Captain. So with all that, this is the ranks structure I came up with for Cobra Command: Crimson Guard Equivalent Rank: E-4 through E-6 Role: Cobra Special Forces. Reserve units. Way too valuable for the common battlefield, Crimson Guardsmen are the highest echelon of Cobra forces. Part mercenary, part foot soldier. They are decreed professionals and specialist in their field. So much that they are often not put into battle but rather best suited for infiltration and espionage. Becoming a CG: Get a college degree from a credited university (the more prestigious, the better). Get a job at one of the many companies in which Extensive Enterprises is the parent corporation. Prove yourself in your field and be noticed by the CEOs, then undergo an extensive initiation program. Blue Shirts Equivalent Rank: O-1 through O-9/E-4 through E-9 Role: These are equivalent to officers and NCOs of the US military. They are a "cut above" your standard Cobra sort. Usually a bit more smarter and more adept to be wasted as battlefield fodder. Becoming a Blue Shirt: Simply sign up, dodge the red tracer, and take an incredible amount of abuse from superiors. Specialty Vipers Equivalent Rank: SPC-4 through SPC-9/WO-1 through WO-4 Role: These are your Eels, Techno-Vipers, Tele-Vipers and any other field Viper with a descriptive. They are highly trained in their specialty and called upon when their skills are needed. Becoming a Specialty Viper: Either come in possessing the skills or prove yourself. Some specialty Vipers are hand selected by Cobra Commander himself and undergo some rigorous initiation processes. Vipers Equivalent Rank: E-1 through E-4 Role: Battlefield infantry and support. Vipers are the foot-soldiers of the Cobra Command. Becoming a Viper: Wanting to establish yourself where the regular military wouldn't accept you. Maybe you have criminal record or are tired of gang life. Mercenaries Equivalent Rank: No Rank/Freelance Role: To provide specialty work as needed by Cobra Command. The "hired guns" of Cobra. Everything from covert operations to bodyguard work. You're hired for your work and type of work you do. Payment is negotiable and upon completion of your job. Becoming a Cobra Mercenary: This is the case where not having a reputation is a good thing. Simply provide results. Be discreet and get the job done. Espionage and demolitions are in high demand.
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