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05-26-2010, 11:37 PM | #1 |
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I know we have talked about this before, but I gotta get away from the Manly/BFF/Pee threads for a minute.
Who are we not clear on that may not have formally served for a U.S. or other military branch before being recruited to Joe or Cobra. This is what my feeling is--the Ninja Force guys, especially Nunchuk, T'jbang, Dojo. I don't think storyline ever has these guys serving. I've always assumed that they were hand picked by SS and THEN underwent training within G.I.Joe. Before that, they were martial art students, not soldiers. Croc-Master?--I don't think that nut has any military training whatsover besides what he gets out of daily life in Cobra. Big Boa, Raptor, Crystal Ball--See above. Dreadnoks--Ripper perhaps? The rest of them though? Budo--Again, I think this is where the filecards start leaning less towards "actual/factual military"--but a secondary as Infantry...I would think all Joes are Infantry no? Still doesn't make me think he served in a branch of the U.S. Military. Shockwave? I think Law and Order's filecard says he was a beat cop then joined the military. Shock's seems to have gone from Detroit S.W.A.T. straight to the Joe ranks. What about Cobra Commander himself? How did he learn the ins and outs of running the show? Any formal "pre-Cobra" training? |
05-27-2010, 12:11 AM | #2 |
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As far as official figures go, there's not many. But I know in the DDP universe and in comics there were quite a few.
As for you questions regarding the Ninja Forces; I think it was assumed that they were hired guns trained by different martial art sects. Dreadnoks are sorta on a league of their own. Which is their attraction. They're a hodgepodge of people from all sorts of backgrounds looking to get in the lucrative side of being part of an "international gang". In regards to Cobra, they aren't really run like a military organization but more like a corporation. Which is where CC's experience lies.
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05-27-2010, 12:14 AM | #3 |
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None of the Dreadnoks have Military training, the closest is Torch who was in the Merchant Marines.
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I know we have talked about this before, but I gotta get away from the Manly/BFF/Pee threads for a minute.
Who are we not clear on that may not have formally served for a U.S. or other military branch before being recruited to Joe or Cobra. This is what my feeling is--the Ninja Force guys, especially Nunchuk, T'jbang, Dojo. I don't think storyline ever has these guys serving. I've always assumed that they were hand picked by SS and THEN underwent training within G.I.Joe. Before that, they were martial art students, not soldiers. Croc-Master?--I don't think that nut has any military training whatsover besides what he gets out of daily life in Cobra. Big Boa, Raptor, Crystal Ball--See above. Dreadnoks--Ripper perhaps? The rest of them though? Budo--Again, I think this is where the filecards start leaning less towards "actual/factual military"--but a secondary as Infantry...I would think all Joes are Infantry no? Still doesn't make me think he served in a branch of the U.S. Military. Shockwave? I think Law and Order's filecard says he was a beat cop then joined the military. Shock's seems to have gone from Detroit S.W.A.T. straight to the Joe ranks. What about Cobra Commander himself? How did he learn the ins and outs of running the show? Any formal "pre-Cobra" training? Most of the ninja force do have military training as well as ninja training, seeing as Snake eyes AND storm shadow served in LRRP in Viet Nam. although other than their file cards, there isnt much offical inof on that. a lot of Cobra Operatives either served as Mercenaries, which means their training is unknown, or in paramilitary groups where they had comparable training. (which might explain Big Boa as a drill instructor) Dreadnoks are mostly roudy bikers.. which makes them dangerous already.. but several do have paramilitary training (such as Monkeywrench, and the Zartan family) Budo not only has military training, they did an original run comic episode where he was going through Joe boot camp, along with Lightfoot and repeater. as for Shockwave... S.W.A.T. training is pretty much comparable to military training, with emphasis on infiltration, sharpshooting, area and structure securement, and anti terror and hostage tactics. SO in the case of dealing with a terrorist operation, Joes like Shockwave, Bullhorn, Surefire, and Wide Scope actually have an advantage over the strictly military trained Joes.
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05-27-2010, 09:22 AM | #5 |
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[QUOTE=kingofpain26;1688525]well:
Most of the ninja force do have military training as well as ninja training, seeing as Snake eyes AND storm shadow served in LRRP in Viet Nam. although other than their file cards, there isnt much offical inof on that. Budo not only has military training, they did an original run comic episode where he was going through Joe boot camp, along with Lightfoot and repeater. QUOTE] I understand and know about SE, SS and Stalker with the LRRP...but reading the rest of NF filecards, the only one that even hints that he may have served in the military prior to Joe is Nunchuk, with being a driver and having a secondary as "Ordanance" Dojo is listed as a "Martial Arts Weapon Specialist" and "Kung Fu Instructor"...not enough info to make me think he ever saw a U.S. Army recruiter. With Budo, I understand he has just as much "G.I.Joe" training as the next person on the G.I.Joe team, but my question is like most of the other Joes...was he serving any branch of the military prior to be recruited to the Joe team? |
05-27-2010, 10:04 AM | #6 |
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Please for the love of GOD let's talk about G.I.Joe before another "do you wear pink boxer shorts" thread gets in there...
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05-27-2010, 10:33 AM | #7 |
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Budo is Infantry, so yes, that means he was Army.
ALL Joes came out of the military unless it is EXPLICITLY stated (Shockwave, though it can be inferred that he may have served before joining Detroit PD), unless the cartoon-verse is your primary Joe-verse. Ninja Force would be the only exceptions I could think of, and that only Dojo and T'jbang. Surefire is CID, he's army.
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05-27-2010, 10:48 AM | #8 |
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Sure-Fire certianly has some Army training. Perhaps he was CID prior to joining the FBI, because Officers don't serve as CID agents - that's for senior NCO's and Warrant Officers.
Bullet-Proof comes from the U.S. Marshal Service. A lot of Marshals come from prior military service. It seems odd to me that the Joes would take a Marshal who didn't have prior military service. It seems to me that most of the Joes must have gone through military training at some point. They may have done interesting work prior to the Army, or as hobbies while serving, but I can't think of anyone being recruited for the Joe team who didn't have military training.
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05-27-2010, 10:58 AM | #9 |
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I think Pit Viper's suspicion may be that some of the specialties that Joes have might be given to them AFTER joining the Joe team, rather than being taught to them by the military.
Chuckles, for example, seems far more like he comes out of a law enforcement or intelligence agency background than strictly military. Lady Jaye actually seems to fit into the same mold, based on her filecard. There aren't any traditional military specialties that make you a "master of disguise." Quick Kick was "recruited for the Joe team while working as a stuntman in Hollywood." With no mention of military service of any kind prior to that on his filecard, so...yes, it seems there is a precedent for hiring "non-military" folks for the Joe team if they have skills they want. Barbecue sounds like he was recruited straight from civilian-hood to the Joe team, as well. Jinx was another "direct recruit" according to her filecard (and kind of the comics). Indeed, given the many and varied experiences of a large number of Joes (most of which are vastly overqualified for the ranks they hold within the military), there does seem to be a very easy inference from many filecards that civilians are "hired" for the Joe team and THEN put through military training. Certainly, the vast majority of Joes look to be from strictly military backgrounds, but there definitely seem to be a few that could very easily have come from "outside." Of course, it's possible many of these folks could have been reservists or national guardsmen, but there does seem to be plenty of folks for whom military experience isn't really mentioned on the filecards, and references are phrased in such a way as to make it look like they were recruited for the Joe team directly from civilian occupations. Last edited by Jmacq1; 05-27-2010 at 11:15 AM.. |
05-27-2010, 11:11 AM | #10 |
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Damian, Firewall, and Scanner were all just hackers that gi joe thought should probably work for them.
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