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03-04-2010, 04:20 PM | #11 |
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It is all about the Context of the Violence!
If the violence illustrates good triumphing over evil, then I have NO problem with it! If you are talking about violence for the sake of violence that is a totaly different story. I think GI JOE gives kids an appreciation for patriotism, and the never ending struggle between good & evil. If your kid is torturing their GI JOEs and the nieghbors pets go missing, then you might have a big problem... My dad was a ploice officer for 33 years and a combat Medic in Viet Nam. At first he hated the fact I was into GI JOE, but after a while he came around. If you use GI JOE to teach your son or daughter the difference between good and evil, right & wrong. Then you should be fine. Use GI JOE to teach your children a sense of prode and patriotism in their country. They don't have to grow up to be a soldier... I see & here so many people affraid of guns and gun owners... But guns a re just tools like any other. You can kill someone with a baseball bat, a knife, etc. Guns don't have to be about death! I target shoot and have a lot of fun doing it. You do have to teach your children that reall guns are not toys and people can be killed by them. But guns are not monsters that will track you down & get you... My dad gave us some very simple rules to follow, and we never had an accident. 1. There is no such thing as an empty gun 2. Real guns are NOT toys. 3. Don't touch Dad's gun for any reason. 4. If you see dad's gun, tell dad, or mom right away. 5. When you are old enough I will teach you how to use a gun safely. Its not as scary or complicated as people make it sound. You have use common sense... There are a lot of other gun owners on Hiss Tank you can talk to. |
03-04-2010, 04:36 PM | #12 |
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It is all about the Context of the Violence!
If the violence illustrates good triumphing over evil, then I have NO problem with it! If you are talking about violence for the sake of violence that is a totaly different story. I think GI JOE gives kids an appreciation for patriotism, and the never ending struggle between good & evil. If your kid is torturing their GI JOEs and the nieghbors pets go missing, then you might have a big problem... My dad was a ploice officer for 33 years and a combat Medic in Viet Nam. At first he hated the fact I was into GI JOE, but after a while he came around. If you use GI JOE to teach your son or daughter the difference between good and evil, right & wrong. Then you should be fine. Use GI JOE to teach your children a sense of prode and patriotism in their country. They don't have to grow up to be a soldier... I see & here so many people affraid of guns and gun owners... But guns a re just tools like any other. You can kill someone with a baseball bat, a knife, etc. Guns don't have to be about death! I target shoot and have a lot of fun doing it. You do have to teach your children that reall guns are not toys and people can be killed by them. But guns are not monsters that will track you down & get you... My dad gave us some very simple rules to follow, and we never had an accident. 1. There is no such thing as an empty gun 2. Real guns are NOT toys. 3. Don't touch Dad's gun for any reason. 4. If you see dad's gun, tell dad, or mom right away. 5. When you are old enough I will teach you how to use a gun safely. Its not as scary or complicated as people make it sound. You have use common sense... There are a lot of other gun owners on Hiss Tank you can talk to. |
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03-04-2010, 04:57 PM | #13 |
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At 3 months old my girls just sit and stare at the toys and showed no interest in watching the best of 80s dvd with me. :(
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03-04-2010, 04:58 PM | #14 |
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I also agree w/ IronMan76.
My son is only 10 months and he's had a Joe in his hand almost since birth. He really likes to push the trucks around, and I think it's pretty funny when he's holding a Joe in each hand then smashes them together then throws one across the room(presumably in defeat, hahaha). As far as the violence aspect of it goes, he's to young to know the difference, but as he gets older he will learn the difference between seeking a fight and self defence(which can be argued is somewhat violent itself). Kids learn more from their parents that from anyone else, so if the parent is responsible the child will be as well. My stepdad taught me and my brother about firearms(real guns) around the age of 5. We were taught proper clearing procedures and how to properly handle a firearm; 23 years of life, 11 years in the Army, and 2 deployments later I still have not had a negligent discharge(firing the gun without the intention of). As parents really the only thing we can do is hope that we teach our kids well and that they listen to us(at least every once in a while). While it's impossible to keep them away from violence forever we can somewhat control how they react to it and teach them how to cope with the violence around us.
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03-04-2010, 05:06 PM | #15 |
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It is all about the Context of the Violence!
If the violence illustrates good triumphing over evil, then I have NO problem with it! If you are talking about violence for the sake of violence that is a totaly different story. I think GI JOE gives kids an appreciation for patriotism, and the never ending struggle between good & evil. If your kid is torturing their GI JOEs and the nieghbors pets go missing, then you might have a big problem... My dad was a ploice officer for 33 years and a combat Medic in Viet Nam. At first he hated the fact I was into GI JOE, but after a while he came around. If you use GI JOE to teach your son or daughter the difference between good and evil, right & wrong. Then you should be fine. Use GI JOE to teach your children a sense of prode and patriotism in their country. They don't have to grow up to be a soldier... I see & here so many people affraid of guns and gun owners... But guns a re just tools like any other. You can kill someone with a baseball bat, a knife, etc. Guns don't have to be about death! I target shoot and have a lot of fun doing it. You do have to teach your children that reall guns are not toys and people can be killed by them. But guns are not monsters that will track you down & get you... My dad gave us some very simple rules to follow, and we never had an accident. 1. There is no such thing as an empty gun 2. Real guns are NOT toys. 3. Don't touch Dad's gun for any reason. 4. If you see dad's gun, tell dad, or mom right away. 5. When you are old enough I will teach you how to use a gun safely. Its not as scary or complicated as people make it sound. You have use common sense... There are a lot of other gun owners on Hiss Tank you can talk to. |
03-04-2010, 05:15 PM | #16 |
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I don't worry about the violence aspect of the toy. The toys themselves don't act violently. A toy gun doesn't teach my kid to hit/kill/harm another kid.
While violence is a part of life, I always hope we never need to use it. Kids will just repeat what they've seen from somewhere else. If they aren't learning it from you, they will learn it from somewhere else (friends/school/television). Using toys can be a way to instruct your children about violence and when, if ever, it can/should be used (i.e. self-defense and defense of others). I usually structure our gameplay into either a search mission (hide and seek or hot and cold) or missile shoot (throw missiles at a pillow to see who can land the most on the pillow). Sometimes I'll throw an elaborate backstory/plot into it, but they usually just like finding the stuff. Our games don't have violence/killing in it usually and, like the show, nobody ever dies. I do worry about the break-able aspect of the toys. I can't afford to buy two of everything, but I've designated a few that they can play with (Sorry Serpentor, you are the two year olds). I find that my two year old can't be trusted with anything without me right next to her, but my 4 and 5 year old take good care of them (except when they try to tag my vehicle with their missiles). I don't let them play with my Joes unsupervised though. |
03-04-2010, 06:15 PM | #17 |
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Thanks for your guys' thoughts on guns. I'm not a gun owner myself, but I grew up in a state with a culture of guns and hunting, so I can appreciate where you are coming from.
I actually point this at all the violent elements of Joes, the weapons, sure, but also the look and feel of the things, the decals, all of it. The larger questions is, Is it too much for little kids who otherwise only see things like pastel crib sheets, grassy parks and teething toys? Quote:
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While violence is a part of life, I always hope we never need to use it. Kids will just repeat what they've seen from somewhere else. If they aren't learning it from you, they will learn it from somewhere else (friends/school/television). Using toys can be a way to instruct your children about violence and when, if ever, it can/should be used (i.e. self-defense and defense of others).
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03-04-2010, 09:29 PM | #18 |
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Okay, Sersiously?
Let me ask you this! Which kids are more famous for 'shooting up schools' The gen x'ers like us who played GIJOE, cowboys and indians, cops and robbers or the kids right after who where raised by wussy parents who live in a bubble, feed their kids Kashi and who make their kids say 'criss cross applesauce, instead of 'indian style.'??? Nuff said... Learning about GIJOES and guns makes things SAFER for children i would argue. (although, yes, with little basis). THey are more aware of the dangers of the guns, they are not drawn to them when they finally come across them... they treat the weapons with respect. I dont remember a Columbine, or Vigina Tech, or Sniper Shootings prior to the "PC" age (and the list goes on). PLay away. Allow your child to have an imagination. Have PRIDE in our country as your child plays with a toy that is an AMERICAN hero DEFENDING the world against TERROR. I do not know how or why i became so patriotic in my lifetime, but i would say that GIJOE has a LOT to do with it. Anyone else notice that Hasbro stopped referring to Cobra as a Terror group in the early 2000's? Why? are we that PC? |
03-04-2010, 09:57 PM | #19 |
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Okay, Sersiously?
Let me ask you this! Which kids are more famous for 'shooting up schools' The gen x'ers like us who played GIJOE, cowboys and indians, cops and robbers or the kids right after who where raised by wussy parents who live in a bubble, feed their kids Kashi and who make their kids say 'criss cross applesauce, instead of 'indian style.'??? Nuff said... Learning about GIJOES and guns makes things SAFER for children i would argue. (although, yes, with little basis). THey are more aware of the dangers of the guns, they are not drawn to them when they finally come across them... they treat the weapons with respect. I dont remember a Columbine, or Vigina Tech, or Sniper Shootings prior to the "PC" age (and the list goes on). PLay away. Allow your child to have an imagination. Have PRIDE in our country as your child plays with a toy that is an AMERICAN hero DEFENDING the world against TERROR. I do not know how or why i became so patriotic in my lifetime, but i would say that GIJOE has a LOT to do with it. Anyone else notice that Hasbro stopped referring to Cobra as a Terror group in the early 2000's? Why? are we that PC? Anyway, I'm talking about toddlers, not 10-year-olds. |
03-04-2010, 10:25 PM | #20 |
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Okay, Sersiously?
Let me ask you this! Which kids are more famous for 'shooting up schools' The gen x'ers like us who played GIJOE, cowboys and indians, cops and robbers or the kids right after who where raised by wussy parents who live in a bubble, feed their kids Kashi and who make their kids say 'criss cross applesauce, instead of 'indian style.'??? Nuff said... Learning about GIJOES and guns makes things SAFER for children i would argue. (although, yes, with little basis). THey are more aware of the dangers of the guns, they are not drawn to them when they finally come across them... they treat the weapons with respect. I dont remember a Columbine, or Vigina Tech, or Sniper Shootings prior to the "PC" age (and the list goes on). PLay away. Allow your child to have an imagination. Have PRIDE in our country as your child plays with a toy that is an AMERICAN hero DEFENDING the world against TERROR. I do not know how or why i became so patriotic in my lifetime, but i would say that GIJOE has a LOT to do with it. Anyone else notice that Hasbro stopped referring to Cobra as a Terror group in the early 2000's? Why? are we that PC? Don't take this as a rant on you personally, this is just what I believe. I'm not here to disrespect anyone, nor am I saying what anyone HAS to do. But as parents we know the difference between right and wrong, real and fiction, and we should be able to teach our children how to resolve conflict without violence. Sometimes, though, things can't be resolved without it. Most of my parents generation(my mom and most of her siblings are in their 50's) grew up watching Looney Toons(which is probably one of the most voilent cartoons ever) and they are pretty well rounded people. I do also think the "PC" thing has gotten way out of control. Too many people associate violence as a negative. A way to think of it is this: A walks up to B and says "give me your lunch money" B "No" A "Give it to me or I'll beat you up" (at this point you have to make a decision give him the money or not) B "NO" A thows a punch at B B blocks punch and puts a one hitter quitter on A (when B defended him/herself he/she commited an act of voilence, but was an act of self defense) Not every act of violence is bad, sometimes it is used to defend onesself against an agressor. The point here is that we should all look inside ourselves and say what is the right thing to do in certain confrontations, and then teach my child the same. But, if you would rather give up your 'lunch money' than have someone 'throwdown' with you, then that is probably what you will teach your kids. But, the bully will be back again and again, and the process will never stop. I would probably go so far to say that if everytime a bully tried to take someones 'lunch money' he got knocked the eff out, it wouldn't take long before he just got tired of getting his ass whopped and stop harassing others.
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