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09-20-2022, 05:04 PM | #421 |
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09-20-2022, 05:37 PM | #422 |
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I'd be totally down for a Saban, '90s-era style GI Joe cartoon. Loved all those Marvel cartoons from then.
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09-20-2022, 05:40 PM | #423 |
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I'd prefer the 80s Sunbow style. They can pick-up up with season 3, the way X-Men '97 is picking up where X-Men '92 left off. |
09-21-2022, 08:22 AM | #424 |
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so, im glad his only moment in the movie itself was him being a chump. Quote:
You pretty much got that with G.I. Joe: Extreme.
I'd prefer the 80s Sunbow style. They can pick-up up with season 3, the way X-Men '97 is picking up where X-Men '92 left off. im in if chuckles is a main character. like i said, my preference the team be the rawhides but not rawhides anymore. plus it gives sgt.slaughter some gijoe work leading the renegades as a foil/partnership, and i dont know, it looks like he still wants to be in on this stuff. |
09-21-2022, 09:23 AM | #425 |
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Weirdly enough, when it comes to The Movie, they actually do!
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wasnt dic season 3?
But I'm with you. I love the DIC stuff.
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09-21-2022, 09:47 AM | #426 |
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You still haven't said how a DTC would prevent scalpers from buying figures. If your estimate is correct, how does selling DTC prevent them from snapping up half of the available figures anyway? And you don't seem to have considered that smaller overall quantities only increase rarity, which would be a scalper's dream. . Now, this method does take time. It is not usually done by order today, get next week. There is usually months between making the order and the order being fulfilled. To cut back on this, they could start with figures they already have molds for. This could include the likely kitbashes that they plan on using to make other characters. There will still be a longer time between ordering and receiving your figure, but at least you know you are going to get your figure. All of this idea is dependant on numbers that none of us have access to, unfortunately. I believe it could be cost effective to Hasbro to cut out the middle man. It would change their distribution costs for sure, but it would also allow them to sell the figures for more than they sell them to retailers currently. Without having knowledge of their current profits from sales, I can't in good faith assure you that this will make Hasbro a ton more money. I'm sure they keep those numbers closely guarded. It could turn out that it all evens out in the end and Hasbro would just decide to keep doing things the way they are doing it to keep from making sweeping changes while still maintaining a shelf presence for thier product in stores. However small that space might be. I do not think this has been a strong push at retail. It is no where near the push it got with GvC, SpyTroops, or even VvV. And the anniversary lines got a ton more push. I think this is partly due to the change to 6" scale. They are trying something new for the brand, and must integrate it slowly. This scale also eliminates a ton of additional playsets/vehicles. That makes it hard to push a line based on the figures alone. It can be done, but it will take time and a consistent presence in front of the consumer. There are a lot of things that need to be done to help this line at this time. If I were new to GI Joe, I might think it was a line of all female characters because that's all that's sitting on the pegs locally. Granted, I'm not in a major city, but we are the 4th largest in my state. And we are located next to the busiest Army base in the country. We have a military presence that can not get military toys in the hands of their children. I know we've both mentioned distribution issues, so this might seem like beating a dead horse. But it just has to be said. Oh, and my guess of 50% scalpers in the community wasn't really communicated properly on my end. There are straight up scalpers out there that will buy whatever they can and put it straight onto their eBay store. There are also certain 'collectors' out there that will scoop up all of a desired character, keep one for themselves and then 'hook up' other collectors. Some of those are nice enough to do it at cost, some will scalp them claiming 'time and gas' used to obtain the figures. Regardless, they are taking the figures from the other locals and redistributing them to others. Regardless of profits, that is still scalping. So, yeah, I think that would cover about 50% of the consumers out there. I am really enjoying this discussion. I'm sure I am coming across as a bit of a pessimist, and I probably am. My opinions are already a bit skewed in that I don't care for 6" scale. Add to that the fact that I don't even see the new stuff at retail, and I can seem a bit down on the brand currently. Hopefully things change for those of you that like these figures. |
09-21-2022, 09:47 AM | #427 |
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they dont have anything to do with the movie itself. they're an unrelated set piece to the movie.
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09-21-2022, 09:57 AM | #428 |
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But, in the first scene with Cobra, CC is getting bitched out for the bungled Statue of Liberty job from the opening. Or that was certainly my impression, at least.
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09-21-2022, 10:00 AM | #429 |
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That was the straw that broke the camel's back, in any case.
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09-21-2022, 11:23 AM | #430 |
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I had mentioned in my first post that my DTC plan would be made to order. Other toy companies do this with their product, and I feel Hasbro could too. They tell the public, X figure goes on sale this day and will be available for one week. If you want said figure, you order said figure. If you don't want it, you don't order it. The way this cuts the scalping down is because basically everyone that wants the figure can get it for the original sale price. Also, if the quantity is limited in this situation, this can cut back on scalpers buying too many. Granted, they can do like they do in other companies and have multiple accounts to circumvent this, but why would they? With the exception of army builders, consumers and collectors will have access to the figure they want. They won't need to go to scalpers. If you see the other markets that have done this, even in ones that have a high secondary market, the times that items are sold made to order they usually stay very close to their original price on the secondary market. This is likely due to the collectors that wanted it, already ordered it. There will always be a few that miss out for whatever reason, but it would increase the overall availability to the consumer for their product.
But the biggest issue is still that your DTC model would mean fewer figures overall would be made versus retail. That sort of artificial scarcity would only 1) drive up our price per figure and 2) encourage more scalping, not less. In theory your proposal meets exact demand exactly, but it assumes that everyone who wants a figure at a given time can order one. It doesn't account for people who (for whatever reason) miss the ordering window nor does it address folks who start collecting the line later, both of whom would now pay a much larger premium. Heck, many here on the 'Tank bought extra HissTanks for the sole reason of flipping them later and making enough profit to offset their keepers, and those folks aren't scalpers as we usually define them. Another thing to consider: we know that production budgets are spread over all the figures in a given wave. Figures that require no new tooling offset the costs of those that do. Going made-to-order per figure would obliterate those offsets would it not? If they lose the ability to spread costs over several figures, wouldn't that result in either far less new tooling overall or much higher prices for us if not? Quote:
Now, this method does take time. It is not usually done by order today, get next week. There is usually months between making the order and the order being fulfilled. ...There will still be a longer time between ordering and receiving your figure, but at least you know you are going to get your figure.
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It could turn out that it all evens out in the end and Hasbro would just decide to keep doing things the way they are doing it to keep from making sweeping changes while still maintaining a shelf presence for their product in stores. However small that space might be.
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I am really enjoying this discussion. I'm sure I am coming across as a bit of a pessimist, and I probably am. My opinions are already a bit skewed in that I don't care for 6" scale. Add to that the fact that I don't even see the new stuff at retail, and I can seem a bit down on the brand currently. Hopefully things change for those of you that like these figures.
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