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09-14-2021, 03:25 PM | #461 |
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And good on the unvaxed who wear a mask. Seriously.
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09-14-2021, 03:32 PM | #462 |
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Now we could be like Joe Strummer and call each other names and pretend we know everything about each other from ours posts here on a toy forum but it doesn’t make you right or better. It probably just makes you an a-hole. I will share one thing with you about myself. I lost a good buddy to Covid in January. And now I drive his 15 year old son to all his baseball games and practices because his mom won’t do it. Now what political party does that make me? Am I anti-vaxx? Am I Conservative or Liberal? Should I stand or kneel for the anthem? Please let me know so I can figure it out. |
09-14-2021, 03:57 PM | #463 |
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I was going to make the inverse correlation and agree with Matt that it’s funny that the same same folks that want to force everyone to take a vaccine for a virus that has about a less than 1% mortality rate are the same folks that want women to have a right to procedure that has a 100% mortality rate for fetus/baby/child......but then realized I would be making the generalizations about people here that a lot of you are doing. He says X so that must mean he also believes in Y & Z. It’s not necessarily true and we are labeling and categorizing people to make ourselves feel better and more righteous. It’s not necessarily true and it’s prejudiced. Just because you don’t want vaccine doesn’t make you a Trumper. Just because you support a women’s right to choose doesn’t mean you support abortions. Just because you say that vaccine decisions should be made by you and your doctor and not the Executive Branch doesn’t mean you are not already vaccinated.
Now we could be like Joe Strummer and call each other names and pretend we know everything about each other from ours posts here on a toy forum but it doesn’t make you right or better. It probably just makes you an a-hole. I will share one thing with you about myself. I lost a good buddy to Covid in January. And now I drive his 15 year old son to all his baseball games and practices because his mom won’t do it. Now what political party does that make me? Am I anti-vaxx? Am I Conservative or Liberal? Should I stand or kneel for the anthem? Please let me know so I can figure it out. Noting a correlation is not the same as making assumptions about any one individual, specifically. I'm not calling out or assuming anyone's personal political stances or beliefs here.
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09-14-2021, 04:00 PM | #464 |
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I was going to make the inverse correlation and agree with Matt that it’s funny that the same same folks that want to force everyone to take a vaccine for a virus that has about a less than 1% mortality rate are the same folks that want women to have a right to procedure that has a 100% mortality rate for fetus/baby/child......but then realized I would be making the generalizations about people here that a lot of you are doing. He says X so that must mean he also believes in Y & Z. It’s not necessarily true and we are labeling and categorizing people to make ourselves feel better and more righteous. It’s not necessarily true and it’s prejudiced. Just because you don’t want vaccine doesn’t make you a Trumper. Just because you support a women’s right to choose doesn’t mean you support abortions. Just because you say that vaccine decisions should be made by you and your doctor and not the Executive Branch doesn’t mean you are not already vaccinated.
Now we could be like Joe Strummer and call each other names and pretend we know everything about each other from ours posts here on a toy forum but it doesn’t make you right or better. It probably just makes you an a-hole. I will share one thing with you about myself. I lost a good buddy to Covid in January. And now I drive his 15 year old son to all his baseball games and practices because his mom won’t do it. Now what political party does that make me? Am I anti-vaxx? Am I Conservative or Liberal? Should I stand or kneel for the anthem? Please let me know so I can figure it out. But, yeah, you make good points. This isn't the place for hate or judgement anyway.
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09-14-2021, 04:06 PM | #465 |
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I think those that have mentioned diet and exercise are right on the money. It's a tragedy that a good portion of the media is being too sensitive to come right out and say it. We're (if I'm not mistaken) the fattest country on earth. We also (again, if I'm not mistaken) have the highest rates of diabetes on earth. People have been dying, -slowly-, of this stuff for a long time. There's a clear correlation between being obese and/or having diabetes, and dying from this virus. Very rarely is anyone willing to tackle this subject. Those who do are quickly labeled as bullies or insensitive. It's really no wonder that we have the death rates we do, from this virus, considering our nations poor health to begin with.
Personally, I think a sugar/corn syrup tax would go a long way towards solving this nations issues. The money collected from this tax could go directly towards health initiatives/programs/public insurance. Though I'm sure the politicians would screw it up like they manage to do with many other things. I do also find it ironic that there seems to be a clear correlation between folks who say "my body my choice" when it comes to the vaccine, yet do not want a woman to have that same choice when it comes to choosing whether or not to conceive. Diet and exercise are the solution for chronic diseases like type II diabetes, not a novel infectious disease. Young and healthy people are being hospitalized and they are infecting others. Letting COVID run rampant through a population doesn’t seem like a good idea when we have multiple safe vaccines available. “Diet and Exercise” also applies to measles, mumps, whooping cough, chicken pox etc etc. I for one and glad those diseases are no longer a concern. Your last point is excellent. Anti-COVID-vaxxers try to flip the “my body, my choice” argument, but a girl getting an abortion is only effecting herself. Anti-COVID-Vaxxers are a danger to us all. |
09-14-2021, 04:13 PM | #466 |
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Bingo. Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. "A women's right to CONCEIVE". THAT wording is how things should be explained. Therefor, anything AFTER CONCEPTION is a LIFE - and cannot be killed by the woman, the man, a doctor, whomever. I 100% fully support a woman's right to conceive. Absolutely.
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09-14-2021, 04:17 PM | #467 |
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How pitiful to compare these two things. Man, the leaps you people take are insane. I'm going to kill your grandma if I don't get vaxxed - but you support ripping a baby out of a woman. Phew. My brain hurts.
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09-14-2021, 04:18 PM | #468 |
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It’s too late for diet and exercise. And diet and exercise will not prevent the spread of the virus. A great deal of older people, and people with genetic maladies are vulnerable as well. I get called out for saying unvaccinated folks with COVID should stay home. Are we going to do some Spartan/300 style thing where we throw the old and unhealthy off a cliff?
Diet and exercise are the solution for chronic diseases like type II diabetes, not a novel infectious disease. Young and healthy people are being hospitalized and they are infecting others. Letting COVID run rampant through a population doesn’t seem like a good idea when we have multiple safe vaccines available. “Diet and Exercise” also applies to measles, mumps, whooping cough, chicken pox etc etc. I for one and glad those diseases are no longer a concern. Your last point is excellent. Anti-COVID-vaxxers try to flip the “my body, my choice” argument, but a girl getting an abortion is only effecting herself. Anti-COVID-Vaxxers are a danger to us all. Yes I wasn't suggesting diet and exercise as a substitute for the vaccine, but rather an important supplement to it, and pointing out that it's very underrated and overlooked in this situation. Also, it WOULDN'T be too late for it, if we had a nation-wide push in early 2020. Imagine if the average American was 25 pounds lighter today (on average) than they were this time last year. I'd be willing to bet the death toll would be a lot smaller. Getting good sleep is another thing that isn't talked about nearly enough.
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It's going to outlast COVID-19.
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09-14-2021, 04:21 PM | #470 |
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I was going to make the inverse correlation and agree with Matt that it’s funny that the same same folks that want to force everyone to take a vaccine for a virus that has about a less than 1% mortality rate are the same folks that want women to have a right to procedure that has a 100% mortality rate for fetus/baby/child.
I will share one thing with you about myself. I lost a good buddy to Covid in January. And now I drive his 15 year old son to all his baseball games and practices because his mom won’t do it. Now what political party does that make me? Am I anti-vaxx? Am I Conservative or Liberal? Should I stand or kneel for the anthem? Please let me know so I can figure it out. “ CFRs vary widely between countries, from 0.2% in Germany to 7.7% in Italy. “ https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid We are at 2% total worldwide. Now keep in mind the case fatality rate of the worst pandemic in modern history, THE SPANISH FLU, was 2.5%. And we have infinitely more advanced medical technology now. So through your “questions” you have repeatedly downplayed the virus and questioned the efficacy and safety of the vaccines. I rarely see an Anti-vaccine argument that didn’t rely on falsehoods, conspiracy theory, political/religious objections and a faulty understanding of the science… usually all three. To me this should not be a political issue. If you notice, I have only addressed things related to COVID and the vaccine. The people making it political are the ones refuting the recommendation of every major health organization on the planet. Last edited by TheSteelBrigade; 09-14-2021 at 04:38 PM.. |
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