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09-13-2021, 04:46 PM | #421 |
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Who the fuck cares if he asks a lot of questions. I did too in the beginning before I made my decision with Moderna. Asking a lot of questions is the intelligent thing to do. You don't ask alot of questions before buying a house? Buying a car? Choosing a mate? Interviewing for a job? Having a quick vaccine rolled out for mass distribution in an emergency situation? I do and there's nothing wrong with that. Hell, even when Trump was still president Joe Biden said he has alot questions about the vaccine. Kamala Harris wasn't jumping on the vaccine train so quickly herself. She had doubts. Along with alot of other people and I certainly agreed with them.
Swallow your pride and accept the fact that there are people that aren't like you. It doesn't make them ignorant or idiots or dumb. I wish more people that have super strong political beliefs would realize that they are the problem with America and the ones diving us. Most people are probably pretty close to a the middle or LEAN one way or the other, but are still able to see issues for themselves. Its unfortunate that selfish people that are far left (progressives) or far right (alt-right) basically have a "my team" is the only thing that matters mentality. |
09-13-2021, 04:57 PM | #422 |
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A big problem with that, is if there is any information that remotely takes away a fraction of a fraction of trust and validation from the vaccine and raises questions on whether the vaccine is effective it is labeled, Vaccine or Medical Misinformation.
I measure both sides of the field. Even on sites such as YouTube, I've tested to see the reactions. I've uploaded videos supporting the vaccine. It stays posted for weeks. I have also uploaded videos of scientists studying and providing data that is against the effectiveness of the vaccine it immediately gets taken down and labeled as Medical Misinformation and I'm in violation of Community Guidelines. I even uploaded a video of a doctor who claims to be fully vaccinated and shows his card, he was vaccinated in May, but is now having heart problems and having to take alot of medication because of it after he received the vaccine. Again, immediately taken down for Medical Misinformation and it's just a doctor sharing his story. So I can see why people are concerned and don't trust anyone and I can see why people have so many questions. I am pretty sure they didn't know these side effects would occur until after the vaxes had been administered to a larger population. Nobody can say for certain that there won't be more "medical findings" related to these vaxes as the drugs are given to more people or with more time." and the FDA say themselves, "long term health effects unknown" I dont doubt they are effective against covid.. but I do doubt the long term effects. At this point I would rather just stay away from people and wear a mask if I have to go to the store |
09-13-2021, 05:45 PM | #423 |
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good post again man. and true.
I wish more people that have super strong political beliefs would realize that they are the problem with America and the ones diving us. Most people are probably pretty close to a the middle or LEAN one way or the other, but are still able to see issues for themselves. Its unfortunate that selfish people that are far left (progressives) or far right (alt-right) basically have a "my team" is the only thing that matters mentality. |
09-13-2021, 06:02 PM | #424 |
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I thought it was a known FACT that the Pfizer vax has been linked to heart conditions for a very small percentage of patients and the J&J Vax was linked to blood clots for a very small percentage.
I am pretty sure they didn't know these side effects would occur until after the vaxes had been administered to a larger population. Nobody can say for certain that there won't be more "medical findings" related to these vaxes as the drugs are given to more people or with more time." and the FDA say themselves, "long term health effects unknown" I dont doubt they are effective against covid.. but I do doubt the long term effects. At this point I would rather just stay away from people and wear a mask if I have to go to the store And then they want to come back and say, Oh it's only happening to a small percentage of people. Well, it shouldn't be happening to anyone. Just like when this virus broke the word was, Oh it's only going to be deadly to a small percentage. And what was the reply? Well, noone should be dying from it. Whether the percentage is low or high it shouldn't matter. Wasn't Pfizer sued and lost for killing over 11 Nigerian children because of their meningitis vaccine? I saw an article on that and one thing stuck to me, these words here... "Forecasts by Wall Street analysts asserted that the drug company could reap $1 billion a year if Trovan, as it was known, won approval for all its potential uses. It was a potential blockbuster, and Pfizer was eerily impatient." |
09-13-2021, 06:48 PM | #425 |
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The vaccine is your training and sparring sessions. Getting your body ready to fight by replicating what will happen in the ring. Taking vitamins and exercising is like doing your road running. Yes, it'll help with your fitness in the ring, but it won't necessarily prepare you for the fight. Neither are a guarantee to winning the fight, but one will prepare you better than the other. Doing both might be the optimal. |
09-13-2021, 09:27 PM | #426 |
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A possible analogy for preparing for catching covid is like you're going to have a boxing bout.
The vaccine is your training and sparring sessions. Getting your body ready to fight by replicating what will happen in the ring. Taking vitamins and exercising is like doing your road running. Yes, it'll help with your fitness in the ring, but it won't necessarily prepare you for the fight. Neither are a guarantee to winning the fight, but one will prepare you better than the other. Doing both might be the optimal. Quote:
Look, if you really want to get everyone vaccinated, you're going to have to convince the working class. At this point trust the science, expert studies and the like aren't going to do it. Its gone far deeper and wider than that. The distrust, animosity, and division has been there for years for the them. There were economic studies for why globalization would be a great thing for our economy, doctors saying Opiods were safe, effective and not to addictive, economist claiming home prices would always go up, the Cia stating Iraq definitely had weapons of mass destruction, and so on. These things all had experts testifying to them. And the working class saw their manufacturing jobs sent over seas, their neighbors addicted to opeoids, home prices crash, sons and daughters killed in Iraq with no wmds to show. Covid is just the latest in a long line of issues that they have felt the experts aren't being truthful and don't have their best interests at heart. I'm not sure at this point they can be convinced, but an experts say approach won't do it. Perhaps a personal approach might be more effective.
However, I do truly believe these vaccinations are in our best interests. The rich and powerful stay rich and powerful off of our backs. They need us alive in order to stay rich and powerful. A pandemic that's killing off a decent amount of us is not in the majority of their best interests. They'll use and abuse the hell out of us, but they need us around to be their servants, and to give them our money. I think that's a pretty solid reason to trust the vaccines... depressing as it is. |
09-13-2021, 09:41 PM | #427 |
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Great analogy!
I feel like this is the best point you've made on this whole thread. And unfortunately, it's probably true; you can only piss on someone's head and tell them it's sunshine for so long before they start to figure things out. This is why, sadly, things like mask mandates, and now vaccine requirements, are popping up. Since their credibility is gone, they simply have to force people now. However, I do truly believe these vaccinations are in our best interests. The rich and powerful stay rich and powerful off of our backs. They need us alive in order to stay rich and powerful. A pandemic that's killing off a decent amount of us is not in the majority of their best interests. They'll use and abuse the hell out of us, but they need us around to be their servants, and to give them our money. I think that's a pretty solid reason to trust the vaccines... depressing as it is. Covid actually gets in the way of more profitable business though. They hated it when they had to stop electives to clear room and manpower for covid patients, so they also have an interest in getting covid gone. But don't think for a second they want us to be healthy. Like I said, they make a lot of cash off of our illnesses.
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09-13-2021, 10:37 PM | #428 |
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Great analogy!
I feel like this is the best point you've made on this whole thread. And unfortunately, it's probably true; you can only piss on someone's head and tell them it's sunshine for so long before they start to figure things out. This is why, sadly, things like mask mandates, and now vaccine requirements, are popping up. Since their credibility is gone, they simply have to force people now. However, I do truly believe these vaccinations are in our best interests. The rich and powerful stay rich and powerful off of our backs. They need us alive in order to stay rich and powerful. A pandemic that's killing off a decent amount of us is not in the majority of their best interests. They'll use and abuse the hell out of us, but they need us around to be their servants, and to give them our money. I think that's a pretty solid reason to trust the vaccines... depressing as it is. |
09-13-2021, 11:15 PM | #429 |
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Don't forget, in this wonderful nation, they make money off the sick too. Fuckin' gobs of it! They're short-sighted in that they have a real hard time looking past quick profits, which is why the long-game in American business has all but disappeared. So anyway, the owners of this nation also have a vested interest in keeping us ignorant, misinformed, divided and sick too.
Covid actually gets in the way of more profitable business though. They hated it when they had to stop electives to clear room and manpower for covid patients, so they also have an interest in getting covid gone. But don't think for a second they want us to be healthy. Like I said, they make a lot of cash off of our illnesses. Quote:
You may be right on our best interests, but I think this entire pandemic has shown some very powerful people just how far the American people can be pushed when they're afraid. Like the patriot act after 911. It wouldn't surprise me if we see some of these same tactics used for other things. A hurricane hits the east coast, the media throws up a tracker of those affected and killed by the hurricane (exaggerated of course) a climate emergency is then declared. (You don't want another hurricane like that do you? it killed x) we now must limit how far you can drive per day or face a fine. Something like that. Just think of it. Before covid 19, we estimated the amount of flu deaths per year. 2017 saw an estimated 61,000 flu deaths in the United States down from an initial estimate of some 80,000. No one really even batted an eye. There is definitely a fear and control element to this. I don't know what it will end up leading to, but it doesn't seem like somewhere good.
If we can all just stop being divided on things like this, then we could all start working on things that are important to all of us. Like maybe getting the government to be a more trustworthy entity, for starters. Last edited by Matt82; 09-13-2021 at 11:17 PM.. |
09-13-2021, 11:32 PM | #430 |
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100% agree. But like you said, there's money being lost from Covid... enough that they're willing to actually take care of us for once by getting these vaccines cranked out.
No argument there, but that's sort of a sidebar for me. There's sickness and deaths that can be prevented, and these vaccines seem to be the best way to do it. That's the priority. If we can all just stop being divided on things like this, then we could all start working on things that are important to all of us. Like maybe getting the government to be a more trustworthy entity, for starters. 1). We live in a society. We've already covered this, but the short/sweet is in exchange for the safety and security socirty provides we restrict our rights for the sake of the society as a whole. 2). The politicians and the parties don't matter. I'm an individualist moderate and an independent, and from that vantage point I can clearly see that one party is incredibly full of shit nowadays and 100% owned by the powers that be, while the other is not as full of shit and whose agenda better benefits the common person. Either way, the real people in charge are the ultra-rich who literally own everything and pull the necessary strings. They operate by keeping us divided over nonsense so we're too distracted to pay attention to them fleecing us at every turn. 3). You, as an average lower to middle class citizen, have more in common with other lower to middle class citizens, regardless of race/religion/gender/orientation/politics, than you ever will with a rich person. Understand this, and you maybe can begin to understand where your interests truly lie and who it really is that can't relate to you in anything other than financial terms and whose interests are opposed to your own.
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