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09-13-2021, 02:16 PM | #391 |
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The COVID vax versus non-vax is arguably the largest clinical trial in the history of medicine. The data regarding hospitalized, ICU admits and deaths of non-vaccinated versus vaccinated overwhelmingly supports vaccination. That's before you even consider long term complications from COVID infection. Vaccine side effects are unfortunate, but very rare (perhaps 1 or 2 per million doses). Even if you have a 99% chance of surviving COVID without complications, that 1% of morbidity or mortality is 10,000 per million COVID infections. The math is simple. Vaccines are proven beneficial and safe.
BTW, my state medical board has gone so far as to issue a warning to us practitioners threatening suspension or revocation of license to practice for vaccine misinformation. |
09-13-2021, 02:19 PM | #392 |
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09-13-2021, 02:20 PM | #393 |
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I measure both sides of the field. Even on sites such as YouTube, I've tested to see the reactions. I've uploaded videos supporting the vaccine. It stays posted for weeks. I have also uploaded videos of scientists studying and providing data that is against the effectiveness of the vaccine it immediately gets taken down and labeled as Medical Misinformation and I'm in violation of Community Guidelines. I even uploaded a video of a doctor who claims to be fully vaccinated and shows his card, he was vaccinated in May, but is now having heart problems and having to take alot of medication because of it after he received the vaccine. Again, immediately taken down for Medical Misinformation and it's just a doctor sharing his story. So I can see why people are concerned and don't trust anyone and I can see why people have so many questions. |
09-13-2021, 02:21 PM | #394 |
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So, in other words, you couldn't be bothered with reading the article or the definitions for "immunity" then. Which is pretty much what I was saying, unfortunately.
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09-13-2021, 02:31 PM | #395 |
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And define smart to you.
So if a group of scientists says they find that the Covid vaccines are completely safe with no long term damaging effects and they provide data, you would believe them, right? Now let's say there is another team of scientists that provides data that they are now finding that the Covid vaccine is causing decreases of certain critically important T Cells that help to fight off cancers and illnesses, would you believe them after reviewing the data? Scientific Consensus represents the position generally agreed upon at a given time by most scientists specialized in a given field. It isn't about "teams" of scientists or medical doctors. You can get together a few quacks that will say anything. Organizations like the CDC, FDA, and all of it's international counterparts, Immunological societies, Research universities are there to vet the science and provide peer review. If there were disagreements among these major organizations I would pause. And this isn't blind faith... the process works and improves lives. You'll see a small group of doctors or scientists pushing some fringe treatment like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine but when you dig deeper, you'll see shoddy research and flawed methodology. The major medical organizations exists to protect the public from quackery. The Ivermectin paper for example, isn't even based on any sort of clinical trials. It's a meta-analysis of prior cases and it has been thrown in the garbage bin by the scientific community. Ivermectin might be effective, but there's no quality research available. |
09-13-2021, 02:34 PM | #396 |
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If 2 billion people eat carrots today... how many will develop heart problems, get sick or die? Anecdotal evidence is scientifically useless.
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09-13-2021, 02:43 PM | #397 |
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I only engage on the off chance that someone who truly has questions won’t walk away misinformed. There’s nothing political about scientists and doctors doing their job. Your objection to the vaccine is not based on science.
1. I showed proof that mRNA vaccines have been tested for years and coronavirus vaccines have been in development for years… doesn’t matter 2. Proof that the trials were fast tracked because of a infusion of government funding and global lab cooperation. Trials take so long because there is only so much money and lab space… doesn’t matter. 3. There is crystal clear evidence that the vaccines work … doesn’t matter 4. Over a billion vaccines administered worldwide, There’s zero evidence, zero, that the vaccine has adverse effects… doesn’t matter 5. Crystal clear evidence that virtually every recent COVID death are unvaccinated… doesn’t matter. Every single question raised by the anti-vaxxer crowd on this thread has been thoroughly and unequivocally addressed multiple times. Sorry if that is “condescending”. It’s pretty clear that this is not about facts or science. I’m going to go ahead and trust scientific consensus and the advice of every major medical organization on the planet. You know, the same folks who eradicated Polio, Measles, Chicken Pox, Whooping Cough and Small Pox.They have a better track record than conspiracy theorists. 2. mRNA has been researched for decades in regard to vaccines but still never actually utilized for any of the viruses that they spent the last couple of decades looking at. Suddenly COVID-19 pops up and this new method that has been researched but never implemented is suddenly a miracle vaccine that no one should ever question. Sorry man, people have the right to question it. 3. Zero evidence would indicate that there were no adverse reactions to the vaccine ever. The CDC has a whole list of adverse reactions that you, once again, fail to acknowledge. 4. It is probably true that 99% of the deaths from COVID are the unvaccinated. However, the CDC report stating this also states that it is based off of only 13 jurisdictions. That's out of 60. That leaves a lot of unknown data out there. The fact that people are hesitant about taking a brand new vaccine doesn't make them anti-vaxxers. A condescending attitude and google doesn't make you right. Your constant assertion of the "facts" and "science" actually hurt your cause when you fail to look at all of the facts in regards to the science. In fact, you've had to "clarify" your hyperbole multiple times throughout this thread. How about, instead of being an ass, you just try to talk to people and understand why they don't feel comfortable with the current situation. And if you don't think politics have played a HUGE part in all of the hesitancy then you're not the brightest light in the house to begin with and no one should listen to your ramblings anyway. |
09-13-2021, 02:46 PM | #398 |
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This is actually a great question. Scientific Consensus is the gold standard because it works.
Scientific Consensus represents the position generally agreed upon at a given time by most scientists specialized in a given field. It isn't about "teams" of scientists or medical doctors. You can get together a few quacks that will say anything. Organizations like the CDC, FDA, and all of it's international counterparts, Immunological societies, Research universities are there to vet the science and provide peer review. If there were disagreements among these major organizations I would pause. And this isn't blind faith... the process works and improves lives. You'll see a small group of doctors or scientists pushing some fringe treatment like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine but when you dig deeper, you'll see shoddy research and flawed methodology. The major medical organizations exists to protect the public from quackery. The Ivermectin paper for example, isn't even based on any sort of clinical trials. It's a meta-analysis of prior cases and it has been thrown in the garbage bin by the scientific community. Ivermectin might be effective, but there's no quality research available. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cfr...e-taiwan%3famp |
09-13-2021, 02:46 PM | #399 |
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The Ivermectin paper for example, isn't even based on any sort of clinical trials. It's a meta-analysis of prior cases and it has been thrown in the garbage bin by the scientific community. Ivermectin might be effective, but there's no quality research available.
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This might be off topic but does anyone know of any good GI JOE fan sites? ;-)
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