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07-08-2021, 05:28 PM | #11 |
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Breaker has some spec ops training as well:
Specialized Education: Signal School; Covert Electronics; Project Gamma. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_GAMMA |
07-09-2021, 02:37 AM | #12 |
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07-09-2021, 12:09 PM | #13 |
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The entire Joe team is "Special Ops." And there are several that despite not having it specifically spelled out on Filecards or the like would seem to qualify since they've been to vague training such as "Covert Ops School" and the like.
But if you're talking about those that have specifically been noted as Green Berets, Rangers, SEALs or otherwise, this is a semi-quick look over Filecards from 82-94, and for my sanity's sake I didn't really check sub-teams and vehicle drivers: Green Berets: Duke (Confirmed by Filecard) Flint (Confirmed by Filecard) Falcon (Confirmed by Filecard) Possible Green Berets: Rock n' Roll ("Covert Ops School") Recondo (His whole "Go into the jungle and work with indigenous people" thing is...exactly what Green Berets are supposed to do) Beach Head ("Covert Ops School") Stalker ("Intelligence School" and breadth of experience/training...dude is practically a one-man Special Forces team with all his specialties) Snake-Eyes (Breadth of experience/training) Mutt (Attached as Cadre/Instructor to "Special Ops School") Claymore (Breadth of Experience) Rangers: Stalker (Confirmed by v2 Filecard) Flint (Confirmed by Filecard) Claymore (Confirmed by Filecard) Beach Head (Confirmed by Filecard) Sneak-Peek (Confirmed by Filecard) Muskrat (Confirmed by Filecard) Crazylegs (Confirmed by Filecard) Freefall (Confirmed by Filecard) Possible Rangers: Snake-Eyes (Implied via LRRP Experience in Vietnam) Recondo (Implied via...being a Recondo, which has been folded into the Rangers in modern times) Ripcord (Regular Airborne Infantry does not normally receive HALO training, but Airborne Rangers can) Outback ("Survival School" and "Jungle Warfare School" pretty much add up to "Ranger", plus his whole SURVIVAL shtick/shirt is straight out of the Ranger's Handbook) Recoil (Implied by LRRP Experience) Pathfinder (Implied by being a "Jungle Warfare Expert") Storm Shadow (Implied by LRRP Experience) SEALs: Torpedo (Confirmed by Filecard) Wet-Suit (Confirmed by Filecard) Shipwreck (Confirmed by v2 Filecard) Tracker (Confirmed by Filecard) Possible SEALs: Snake-Eyes (Trained in "Underwater Demolitions") Marine Force Recon Gung-Ho (Effectively confirmed by original filecard/Breadth of Experience) Leatherneck (Implied by being in a Recon Battalion per Filecard) British SAS Big Ben (Confirmed by Filecard) There are probably a few more from the nu-sculpt era and beyond, but from the "classic run" of ARAH those are the ones I managed to suss out. Either way, this list is cool. I had the original Duke mail away figure in the 80s and I didn't see Green Beret on his card. Same with Gung Ho for Force Recon....Are these new developments like what they did with Shipwreck?? |
07-09-2021, 01:53 PM | #14 |
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I don't think going to one training qualifies you to be one of the Cool Guys. I think you have to qualify for that role and do all the training that are associated with it. Like, just because I go to SERE or Sniper school doesn't mean I am a SEAL, Green Beret or MSRT or something.
Either way, this list is cool. I had the original Duke mail away figure in the 80s and I didn't see Green Beret on his card. Same with Gung Ho for Force Recon....Are these new developments like what they did with Shipwreck?? "Cool Guys" isn't a term that means anything. You asked who was Special Operators among the Joes and mentioned Green Berets and SEALs. IF you want to be nit-picky we could argue that virtually NONE of the Joes qualify because their filecards usually don't give us a complete list of units they were assigned to prior to joining the Joes, so we don't know if they were in the 75th Ranger Regiment or in any of the Special Forces Groups or SEAL teams. But many of them mention having gone to the training for those types of troopers, making them qualified to be part of those units even if they weren't directly assigned to them. Likewise if you're talking any semblance of "real world" most of the Joes have tons of training that's not even listed on their filecards, as well as having training listed that doesn't match any real-world training course ("Covert Ops School" is one that pops up repeatedly...but the military has no such specific school, at least that's publicly known). Marine Force Recon wasn't even really acknowledged as a "thing" publicly when Gung-Ho came out, but if you read what Gung-Ho's filecard actually says...you can easily infer that yes, he was almost certainly Marine Force Recon. Leatherneck you can infer he has that experience because he's listed as being the "toughest gunny" in a Marine Reconnaissance Battalion. Marine Reconnaissance Battalions are considered special-ops capable units. |
07-09-2021, 02:08 PM | #15 |
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As I said at the beginning, GI Joe is a Special Ops unit in and of itself, so every single Joe is Special Ops whether they've been in the 75th Ranger Regiment, on a Special Forces Team, or otherwise.
Duke's original filecard says he was Special Forces, which is the official term for the Green Berets. "Cool Guys" isn't a term that means anything. You asked who was Special Operators among the Joes and mentioned Green Berets and SEALs. IF you want to be nit-picky we could argue that virtually NONE of the Joes qualify because their filecards usually don't give us a complete list of units they were assigned to prior to joining the Joes, so we don't know if they were in the 75th Ranger Regiment or in any of the Special Forces Groups or SEAL teams. But many of them mention having gone to the training for those types of troopers, making them qualified to be part of those units even if they weren't directly assigned to them. Likewise if you're talking any semblance of "real world" most of the Joes have tons of training that's not even listed on their filecards, as well as having training listed that doesn't match any real-world training course ("Covert Ops School" is one that pops up repeatedly...but the military has no such specific school, at least that's publicly known). Marine Force Recon wasn't even really acknowledged as a "thing" publicly when Gung-Ho came out, but if you read what Gung-Ho's filecard actually says...you can easily infer that yes, he was almost certainly Marine Force Recon. Leatherneck you can infer he has that experience because he's listed as being the "toughest gunny" in a Marine Reconnaissance Battalion. Marine Reconnaissance Battalions are considered special-ops capable units. "Cool Guys" is a euphemism for SOF and operators. They often use the term "cool guy gear" when talking about their toys. When they retire or whatnot they refer to themselves as Former Action Guy (FAG) and when they are new to units and such they are called Effin New Guy (FNG). It's just a term that ops guys use. Force Recon has been around a long time and Force Recon operated during Viet nam. During WWII they were called Marine Raiders and recently started using that term again with Marine Special Ops Command (MARSOC) Raiders. I think there is a difference between Marine Recon and Force Recon but not sure....I think I read that sompelace... |
07-09-2021, 06:42 PM | #16 |
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Actually, my understanding is JSOC has plenty of folks who are not SOF folks but are assigned to SOF as supporting elements which is what Joe is....Cutter is not a SOF operator but still in support of the mission. Same with BBQ. and many others.
"Cool Guys" is a euphemism for SOF and operators. They often use the term "cool guy gear" when talking about their toys. When they retire or whatnot they refer to themselves as Former Action Guy (FAG) and when they are new to units and such they are called Effin New Guy (FNG). It's just a term that ops guys use. Force Recon has been around a long time and Force Recon operated during Viet nam. During WWII they were called Marine Raiders and recently started using that term again with Marine Special Ops Command (MARSOC) Raiders. I think there is a difference between Marine Recon and Force Recon but not sure....I think I read that sompelace... And yes, the Marine Recon/Force Recon thing is wonky. But what I meant was that Force Recon wasn't really publicly acknowledged back in those days/most people outside the Marines didn't know what it was. Not that they didn't exist. |
07-10-2021, 10:50 AM | #17 |
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Most Special Ops Support, at least when I was in, is not organic to the special operations unit itself. They're different units than the teams/groups themselves but work in support of them. But I stand by the assessment that if you're an active Joe, you're part of an active special operations unit and are thus a "special ops" trooper. It may not be entirely realistic but if you're expecting to shoot at and get shot at by Cobra and the like on the regular, you're qualified as SpecOps. Maybe not the Green Shirts and Steel Brigade troopers, but from the jump GI Joe was inspired by Delta, and you don't get much more "special ops" than that.
And yes, the Marine Recon/Force Recon thing is wonky. But what I meant was that Force Recon wasn't really publicly acknowledged back in those days/most people outside the Marines didn't know what it was. Not that they didn't exist. Yeah, I am not so sure Chuckles and BBQ are SOF but I would def put them as supporting elements to the "Cool Guys"...Chuckles is just an Army CID which is basically the Army's version of the FBI...Federal agents tasked with investigating crimes and doing bodyguard work like the Secret Service. Still think Chuckles is very cool though.... |
07-10-2021, 05:05 PM | #18 |
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I am aware of the SERE school, though it had slipped my mind. However it's almost like you missed the part where I put him in "POSSIBLE" Rangers.
On the subject of possible Rangers though, I'd probably add Duke to the list. While it's not specifically mentioned anywhere, it would be highly unusual for an Army soldier of his experience, training/specialties, and rank to have not graduated from Ranger School, especially if they're a "fast tracker"/"ultimate soldier" like Duke inevitably would be. |
07-10-2021, 05:11 PM | #19 |
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I like them being inspired but I'm also good with them going a little more fantastical.
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