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Old 03-13-2021, 02:00 AM   #141
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Old 03-13-2021, 02:50 AM   #142
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Zandar's been subtly hinted as being gay in one of the comics.
Not in any comics that I would ever choose to acknowledge or that matter in the grand scheme of things.

Larry Hama's Zandar (and 99% of his characters for that matter) were motivated by duty or honor or power....not by their genitals. I assume many of the Joes/Cobras had perfectly normal sex lives. Many of them might have been into some kink. Who knows? None of my business. And Larry knew it had nothing to do with telling good stories to a mostly children's audience while trying to sell toys to said children.

I know it is/was "fashionable" for IDW to take their licensed Hasbro properties and turn them into woke caricatures of what they were 35 years ago. This includes making all the members of Jem lesbians, and making some of them ugly and fat, and then introducing the concept of "gay" Transformers and even later "Trans-Transformers" which to me is so blitheringly stupid I can't really even fathom it.

DT, I've always admired your passion, but the whole "weird incesty twins that speak their own private twin language, and the gay boy twin has a weird crush on the girl twin" thing might go over extremely well in anime, but in GI Joe it's just plain.....weird!!

Of course you're absolutely free to feel however you want about any of these characters, but a lot of ARAH fans are pretty old school leftovers from Reagan's 80s, and might not necessarily be into the whole anime/incesty thing.

But you're right...head canon is head canon...it's your own personal thing. In MY Joe universe, Zarana and Zandar are no more "brother and sister" to Zartan then Buzzer or Ripper. I've always thought Zandar especially was the lamest form of 3rd rate knockoff, and he pretty much doesn't even exist to me.

Having said that, I do hope one day you get the perfect two-pack you've always dreamed of, cause you'll be thrilled and it won't affect my collection or "canon" in the slightest.

And on one last personal note, my brother has twins, a boy and a girl, about a year and a half old. I sincerely hope they grow up without any kind of weird attachment to each other and the boy doesn't walk around all day with pieces of the girl's clothes on him. I hope they grow up into healthy, confident individuals that surely feel a bond for their twin, but nothing creepy or obsessive.

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Nothing. We are discussing it. What do you expect to happen? I don't think anyone is being rude about it just why or why not this could happen and why they would want or not want it to happen. Honestly, I think your being a little dramatic about this and maybe trying to get a bit of attention. In the grand scheme of things it isn't all that important but to each his or her own.


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Old 03-13-2021, 10:19 AM   #144
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Not in any comics that I would ever choose to acknowledge or that matter in the grand scheme of things.
It was in one of the DDP comics.

Larry Hama's Zandar (and 99% of his characters for that matter) were motivated by duty or honor or power....not by their genitals.[/quote]

I didn't say he was motivated by his genitals anymore than Scarlett or Snake-Eyes.

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I know it is/was "fashionable" for IDW to take their licensed Hasbro properties and turn them into woke caricatures of what they were 35 years ago. This includes making all the members of Jem lesbians, and making some of them ugly and fat, and then introducing the concept of "gay" Transformers and even later "Trans-Transformers" which to me is so blitheringly stupid I can't really even fathom it.
36 years ago, things were different. You can't expect the comics to remain static.

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DT, I've always admired your passion, but the whole "weird incesty twins that speak their own private twin language, and the gay boy twin has a weird crush on the girl twin" thing might go over extremely well in anime, but in GI Joe it's just plain.....weird!!
Zartan and his family are weird and mysterious. Don't read incest into it, though.

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Of course you're absolutely free to feel however you want about any of these characters, but a lot of ARAH fans are pretty old school leftovers from Reagan's 80s, and might not necessarily be into the whole anime/incesty thing.
Don't read incest (or anime) into it. It can be creepy without going that far. An aging fanbase can't sustain ARAH forever, and times have changed a lot since then.

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I've always thought Zandar especially was the lamest form of 3rd rate knockoff, and he pretty much doesn't even exist to me.
And I think he's an underused character with a lot of potential within the Dreadnoks and his family.

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Having said that, I do hope one day you get the perfect two-pack you've always dreamed of, cause you'll be thrilled and it won't affect my collection or "canon" in the slightest.
To be clear, my dream is to see Zarana & Zandar as firmly established as twins as Tomax & Xamot. To do that, they need marketing together, to have significant media exposure and lore together. Character development. A 2 pack helps this along.
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An aging fanbase can't sustain ARAH forever, and times have changed a lot since then..

Truer word Havent been spoken.

I get holding on to what we grew up and loved, but for god sakes the last thing we need is another white robed Storm shadow or Blacked out snake eyes.

36 years of trying to keep it the same. To hell with that.

Reinvented and modern is the future, and what we desperately NEED. Hasbro is trying to bridge a gap between the old collectors and potential new ones.
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Well, lord knows Hasbro tried many times, and failed.

Reinvent too much, and us aging old men just say "nope" and opt out.

Besides, GI Joe without dueling ninjas in black and white just isn't GI Joe.

May as well get into Fortnite or Call of Duty or whatever the young whippersnappers are up to.

Over the last 20 years, if it didn't "feel" like ARAH Joe to me, I ignored it, and I know I wasn't alone.

I think when the last of Gen X-ers stop spending money on the brand, the brand dies.

How many 1960s collectors are still out there buying stuff? And more importantly, how many young people have latched on to 1960s Joes and collect them in their place? If the answer is "none"....then 12 inch Joes are gonna be worthless in about 20 years. The ones that haven't decayed may go to toy museums or something.
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Truer word Havent been spoken.

I get holding on to what we grew up and loved, but for god sakes the last thing we need is another white robed Storm shadow or Blacked out snake eyes.

36 years of trying to keep it the same. To hell with that.

Reinvented and modern is the future, and what we desperately NEED. Hasbro is trying to bridge a gap between the old collectors and potential new ones.
Agreed!
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What deepens the characters? It being just a fashion statement or a ripped piece of material from Zarana's shirt?
Ripped piece from Zarana, hands down! I love the suggested bond.

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I get holding on to what we grew up and loved, but for god sakes the last thing we need is another white robed Storm shadow or Blacked out snake eyes.

36 years of trying to keep it the same. To hell with that.

Reinvented and modern is the future, and what we desperately NEED. Hasbro is trying to bridge a gap between the old collectors and potential new ones.
I’m 46 and I’m totally cool with new looks. Nothing may ever top the originals (Hama’s #26 & #27 SE back story, for me), but my collection needs more color! Of all the SE’s customs I’ve made, very few (maybe two?) are black commando/ninja clad.
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Well, lord knows Hasbro tried many times, and failed.

Reinvent too much, and us aging old men just say "nope" and opt out.

Besides, GI Joe without dueling ninjas in black and white just isn't GI Joe.

May as well get into Fortnite or Call of Duty or whatever the young whippersnappers are up to.

Over the last 20 years, if it didn't "feel" like ARAH Joe to me, I ignored it, and I know I wasn't alone.

I think when the last of Gen X-ers stop spending money on the brand, the brand dies.

How many 1960s collectors are still out there buying stuff? And more importantly, how many young people have latched on to 1960s Joes and collect them in their place? If the answer is "none"....then 12 inch Joes are gonna be worthless in about 20 years. The ones that haven't decayed may go to toy museums or something.
The older half of millennials (now in their mid 30s), plenty of them love GI Joe. GI Joe isn't dying out with Gen X.

I disagree with a bunch of other stuff you said... but it isn't worth getting into. At least I know where you're coming from when I see your comments in the future.
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