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10-11-2020, 12:40 PM | #51 |
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I’m a very accepting guy, you can do whatever you want as long as nobody gets hurt or it doesn’t affect someone’s rights. Age appropriate-ness is something else entirely. Either straight or gay sex it doesn’t matter, a children’s toyline doesn’t need it (that’s not to say rule out romance between the characters just, well, you know, children are watching)
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10-11-2020, 12:58 PM | #52 |
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The agument could be made that romances of any sort should not be in kids shows which is another conversation entirely. Historically though, they always have to some extent.
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10-11-2020, 01:01 PM | #53 |
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And 100% agree here too. I’m a very accepting guy, you can do whatever you want as long as nobody gets hurt or it doesn’t affect someone’s rights. Age appropriate-ness is something else entirely. Either straight or gay sex it doesn’t matter, a children’s toyline doesn’t need it (that’s not to say rule out romance between the characters just, well, you know, children are watching)
Now that we have been talking about this subject for a day or two, I have been personally questioning what is worse for a kid to be exposed to: sanitized war or sanitized relationships. No cartoon is going to show (at least kids cartoons) same sex or opposite sex physical relations (i.e. actually showing anyone getting it on), so what then is harmful about (I’m making this next scenario up) Lady Jaye rescuing her girlfriend Jinx from Cobra? How this that any different than showing Duke rescuing his girlfriend Scarlett? It could be seen that some people on this forum are ok with showing the Duke/Scarlett scenario, but not the LJ/Jinx scenario. Given that no sex or kissing will ever be shown whether it’s same or opposite, what’s the harm? I hear people commenting that nothing should be sexualized, but it’s already sexualized towards opposite sex couples. It’s light weight sexualization, but it’s still sexualization. |
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10-11-2020, 01:17 PM | #55 |
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Agreed.
Now that we have been talking about this subject for a day or two, I have been personally questioning what is worse for a kid to be exposed to: sanitized war or sanitized relationships. No cartoon is going to show (at least kids cartoons) same sex or opposite sex physical relations (i.e. actually showing anyone getting it on), so what then is harmful about (I’m making this next scenario up) Lady Jaye rescuing her girlfriend Jinx from Cobra? How this that any different than showing Duke rescuing his girlfriend Scarlett? It could be seen that some people on this forum are ok with showing the Duke/Scarlett scenario, but not the LJ/Jinx scenario. Given that no sex or kissing will ever be shown whether it’s same or opposite, what’s the harm? I hear people commenting that nothing should be sexualized, but it’s already sexualized towards opposite sex couples. It’s light weight sexualization, but it’s still sexualization. One of my favorite things in GI Joe media was the relationships. That includes the buddy-system used in the cartoon, such as the Alpine Bazooka Quick Kick buddy team. The romantic pairings, like Lady Jaye and Flint, was just a buddy team, with the added spice of implied romance. Did they even ever kiss, or outright say, "that's my boyfriend, Flint"? A same-sex relationship should be handled similarly, perhaps with even more subtlety. Subtlety is really the key to all this. Also, not shoving it into everyone's face and making it into a political statement etc. is key. You know, be tasteful. I, like many others here (probably), fall into the camp of being very quickly annoyed, when this sort of thing is overdone or done for, like I said, an obvious socio-political agenda. You know what I mean, I'm sure.
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10-11-2020, 02:02 PM | #56 |
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The comic took it a little farther than the cartoon. In one of the Marvel comics, issue 53 I think, Flint was trying to put the moves on Jaye and some Eels came out of the water and beat the shit out of him. See kids! It's just like horror movies. Keep your hands to yourself. And now you know!
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Two days later, you are still discussing this topic, and yet I’ve not seen one person address how a Transgender character could be used in this Hasbro children’s property.
How could anyone reasonably expect G.I. Joe or Cobra to have an eccentric bisexual transvestite character such as Dr. Frank-N-Furter (played in 1975 by Tim Curry in The Rocky Horror Picture Show)? Even the character, Dr. Mindbender, who was a muscular torture expert and could apply electricity to sensitive parts of the human body to extract information was rewritten at the advice of Larry Hama to be a mad scientist instead, to shield children from the concept of torture to prisoners. That character was NOT intended as an introduction to homosexuality. My answer would closely mirror the September 4, 2020 DoD Instruction 1300.28 “Military Service by Transgender Persons and Persons with Gender Dysphoria”, or simply put, the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. So given that the G.I. Joe team is out, should Hasbro put all Transgender characters on the bad guy team? What sort of message would that be? No, it would be best for Hasbro to leave the introduction LGBT subjects to the caregivers of children ages 4 and up, who would be better qualified to explain such concepts to children when appropriate to do so in their lifetimes.
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10-11-2020, 02:34 PM | #58 |
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Two days later, you are still discussing this topic, and yet I’ve not seen one person address how a Transgender character could be used in this Hasbro children’s property.
How could anyone reasonably expect G.I. Joe or Cobra to have an eccentric bisexual transvestite character such as Dr. Frank-N-Furter (played in 1975 by Tim Curry in The Rocky Horror Picture Show)? Even the character, Dr. Mindbender, who was a muscular torture expert and could apply electricity to sensitive parts of the human body to extract information was rewritten at the advice of Larry Hama to be a mad scientist instead, to shield children from the concept of torture to prisoners. That character was NOT intended as an introduction to homosexuality. My answer would closely mirror the September 4, 2020 DoD Instruction 1300.28 “Military Service by Transgender Persons and Persons with Gender Dysphoria”, or simply put, the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. So given that the G.I. Joe team is out, should Hasbro put all Transgender characters on the bad guy team? What sort of message would that be? No, it would be best for Hasbro to leave the introduction LGBT subjects to the caregivers of children ages 4 and up, who would be better qualified to explain such concepts to children when appropriate to do so in their lifetimes. Also, GI Joe, being a work of fiction, has historically deviated from real life military protocol anyways. I may be wrong but I believe Scarlett served in a combat role way before women did in the real world. Don't even get started on the ranking system or uniforms.
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10-11-2020, 03:59 PM | #59 |
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Since it has been established what goes into the toyline aimed at children can differ from what is in the comic aimed more at adults I will address from a comic standpoint. There are plenty of characters that are not on the Joe team or on the Cobra team. It would be possible to put a transgender character as a good guy who is not part of the military if an author wished I suppose.
Also, GI Joe, being a work of fiction, has historically deviated from real life military protocol anyways. I may be wrong but I believe Scarlett served in a combat role way before women did in the real world. Don't even get started on the ranking system or uniforms. Again, I don’t really care if they had a transgender character in the GI Joe universe. It doesnt affect me and I don’t see how anyone would be any less effective in combat just because a person doesn’t identify themselves with the sex they were born as. Last edited by PFC Hudson; 10-11-2020 at 04:13 PM.. |
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After both of you go back and read what I wrote, you will observe that my answer to how Transgender people would be used on the G.I. Joe team would mirror the answer that the Department of Defense came to when they studied the same question for years. Even the Executive Order 10450 effective May 27, 1953 issued by President Dwight D. Eisenhower said the same thing. In other words, for over 67 years adults have been having a similar conversation to that of this HissTank forum thread. Sorry if the mere mention of a military regulation knocked you off your balance, but I’m not trying to apply regulations to Hasbro’s corporate marketing policy of toy brands targeted for children 4 and up. Instead I’m saying that for nearly 70 years there hasn’t been an easy answer to this question which still lingers even today. Relaxing hair and uniform regulations, and allowing women to serve in combat roles have all happened since ARAH was introduced in 1982. Those questions were easily answered, and implemented. The LGBT issue is another story.
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