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05-19-2020, 10:08 PM | #1 |
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Howdy! So this is something I've been struggling with for a while. Cobra ranks.
I've thought about using Roman ranks, for Cobra, then it occured to me..eh no. Maybe some. (Also thought about Roman terms to describe unit sizes. Phalanx, Legion, etc, etc.) Then, I considered using ranks from various cultures. But still unsure. So again, I rethought it. Maybe something like Viper 1st Class, 2nd Class, 3rd Class. Again the, ehh feeling. Just didnt feel right. I'm struggling with this. I want to avoid any and all of the ranking system of all 4 branches..well 6 US branches. Including Coast Guard, and Space Force. (Which will supposedly be run by the Air Force.) If anyone has any ideas, to aid me in this struggle I'm all eyes. (I'd say ears, but cant hear text. ) Yes, I'm that guy who is cursed with a details fetish. Big details to the minute ones. I'm not a fan of vagueness. Last edited by Drunken Whaler; 05-19-2020 at 10:10 PM.. |
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05-19-2020, 10:12 PM | #2 |
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If you care about the Sunbow show, they do use normal-sounding military ranks. Major Bludd is obviously a major. And they refer to lieutenants a few times (the Mass Device miniseries and the Traitor come to mind).
And, of course, if you get to be called by a name, you outrank everyone who doesn't.
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05-19-2020, 10:22 PM | #3 |
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I've considered Major Bludd, but reasoned he earned that rank, from where ever he served. Also, he is a mercenary, Cobra bought him.
I'm considering the average Cobra trooper, who goes through basic and earns thier position. I do appreciate the input though. Thank you. |
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05-20-2020, 01:04 AM | #4 |
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05-20-2020, 01:28 AM | #5 |
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Boooo Serpentor...Boooo!
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05-20-2020, 03:45 AM | #6 |
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05-20-2020, 11:56 AM | #7 |
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05-20-2020, 12:05 PM | #8 |
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If we focus on the non named troops, and focus on the rank and file, one question is whether Cobra has a dedicated enlisted/NCO track and a separate officer track (like say the US or British militaries), which IMO isn't a forgone conclusion, or whether it is all one ranking scale. Put differently, do you have to start the bottom as a Bluehirt or Viper or whatever in order to become some kind of an officer? Or is there a separate officer track, where you start out at a higher level (theoretically) than any non officer, no matter how experienced?
In my mind, most Cobra officers would come up through the ranks - if everyone starts as a Blueshirt, that gives everyone in the Cobra legions a shared formative Cobra experience. I can see some of the named characters (especially the less military oriented ones) coming into the organization a different route. I could also see some of the Siegies being recruited from somewhere else. But the officers in charge of Cobra troops in the field - I think they probably proved themselves as troopers to start. With so many specialized troop types, I don't think Cobra needs that many different kinds of ranks. |
05-20-2020, 01:24 PM | #9 |
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It’s important to remember that COBRA is a militarized society built around a cause.
Directly taken from the filecards, these are the facts as we know them: They are comprised of “countless criminals, low-lifes, thugs, mercenaries, pirates” and that their “officers” are “officers in name only”, commanding their own little squads. They are not an organized or disciplined force following written guidelines, or staffing offices with Human Resources Specialists so that they can file a grievance against their fellow Vipers. Cobra Officers are “selected for whatever reason to lead a squad—previous experience, personal ambition, dumb luck, demonstrated initiative, organization, or leadership skills”. They are front-line fighters, and NOT in the rear, and they lead assault squads of COBRA attack units into battle. They are “the first to be punished” for the failure of a team, and also they are “the first to accept rewards” when the team’s mission is successful. They are expected to inspire or intimidate their teams in order to get the cooperation and results they are after. From these facts, we can make this comparison: The US military (which the G.I. Joe team is a part of) does have established ranks, rules, good order and discipline. COBRA does not, nor do they have any need for such. G.I. Joe officers are commissioned, given authority by the Congress of the United States, which receives their power from the will of the people. COBRA officers have no commission, swear absolute loyalty to Cobra Commander, and serve at his will and pleasure. G.I. Joe members must promote fairly and evenly, from one rank to the next in a lawful and organized progression. COBRA officers promote however Cobra Commander wills it at the moment. The ranks are possibly honorifics in name only, given in lieu of treasure. My first thoughts are that any COBRA member with a grain of intelligence will insist on receiving the treasure, rather than the worthless honorific title. General Storm Shadow? Captain Destro? Sergeant Baroness? Lieutenant Zartan? Nope, that doesn’t work, and none of these would do any good. Major Sebastian Bludd is an established professional mercenary, and retains his real rank with his name. If the COBRA organization truly used officer ranks, Cobra Commander would have promoted him to Colonel Bludd to save himself from paying some treasure to Bludd. COBRA ranks are meaningless, because the nameless, faceless legions have no code of honor or need for a structure based on equality and fairness.
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05-20-2020, 02:39 PM | #10 |
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Well, first off I should have stated, this is for my own personal joeverse. I was looking for ideas on creating a ranking system.
Second, it makes absolutely no sense that Cobra does not have a rank and file system. Cobra is supposed to be the leading terrorist organization. Having said that. Gangs, cartels, outlaw bikers, (waits for someone to mention the Drednoks) KKK, all have a pecking order, and they are peanuts compared to Cobra. With thousands of troops, a huge variety of troop specialties, a navy, air force, heck even a small space force. And according to said file cards, no real chain of command? That seems a bit ridiculous. Finally, the part about Cobra soldiers of all types are mostly, low lifes, thugs, mercenaries. I can kinda see that, but at the same time, Cobra has some pretty advanced machinery that probably require more brains then your run of the mill felon. It takes scientists, engineers, all sorts of folks well versed in thier particular fields to accomplish, and create some of the feats Cobra has undertook. Oh, and the B.A.T's are a pretty impressive Robotics design. I get this is a toyline, we can go back and fourth all day, over this fiction. I'm just pointing out Cobra is more then ruffians, and brutes. It just seems almost impossible to have everything Cobra has with just the named characters, and the faceless soldiers who operate equipment, and those brains behind the scenes creating all of these fantastic, fictional creations, without some sort of well run chain of command. Last edited by Drunken Whaler; 05-20-2020 at 02:42 PM.. |
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