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08-11-2018, 03:50 PM | #1 |
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for years I have spoken out in defense of Hasbro and The Club. Through my other Geek Hobbies, one being World of Warcraft, I have discovered that there is a deeper impact than just spewing so much negativity and criticism: it dissuades people from pursuing careers in these fields for these brands. Its now referred to as Toxic Fandom. Here is a link that explains it better than I can. Please consider watching AND LISTENING, and consider the affect and effect your words can have on a person, a profession, and a brand. Why would anyone want to support, promote, and further a brand if every attempt they make draws such harsh/cutting/destructive feedback.
If you want more examples, look no further than Star Wars fans, and the vicious response to the new movies. Reflecting back on our own community, look at the division between cartoon series, comic publishers, and movies. O-Ring and Modern Era. Live Action Movie and our expectations. We have our own Toxic Fans. Again, I am not saying opinions are worthless. I am not advocating censorship, and by no means am I advocating a loss of your "freedom of speech". I am asking that you just consider other aspects of the thing you want to rage against, and be reasonable, responsible, and mature. Offer constructive views and suggest improvements. as one Hisstanker said: At least we can look at new product in 2019 (The Final 12). Here's the link: https://www.google.com/url?q=http://...i99HwhhA3-qVst I love this brand, this hobby, and the warm nostalgia it brings to me from my childhood, and the childhood of my son and daughter. Fighting for our hobby doesn't need to be an all or nothing, my way or the highway, scorched earth effort. Lets be positive, constructive and participative: rather than tear down a figure, offer an alternate formula, maybe even make a custom and share it. Personal leadership is difficult in our times. Taking the high ground is a challenge. Being a good person is rare. We are a different breed, as GI Joe enthusiasts. Lets show people just how good. Keep the faith... Yo Joe!
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08-11-2018, 05:41 PM | #2 |
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for years I have spoken out in defense of Hasbro and The Club. Through my other Geek Hobbies, one being World of Warcraft, I have discovered that there is a deeper impact than just spewing so much negativity and criticism: it dissuades people from pursuing careers in these fields for these brands. Its now referred to as Toxic Fandom. Here is a link that explains it better than I can. Please consider watching AND LISTENING, and consider the affect and effect your words can have on a person, a profession, and a brand. Why would anyone want to support, promote, and further a brand if every attempt they make draws such harsh/cutting/destructive feedback.
If you want more examples, look no further than Star Wars fans, and the vicious response to the new movies. Reflecting back on our own community, look at the division between cartoon series, comic publishers, and movies. O-Ring and Modern Era. Live Action Movie and our expectations. We have our own Toxic Fans. Again, I am not saying opinions are worthless. I am not advocating censorship, and by no means am I advocating a loss of your "freedom of speech". I am asking that you just consider other aspects of the thing you want to rage against, and be reasonable, responsible, and mature. Offer constructive views and suggest improvements. as one Hisstanker said: At least we can look at new product in 2019 (The Final 12). Here's the link: https://www.google.com/url?q=http://...i99HwhhA3-qVst I love this brand, this hobby, and the warm nostalgia it brings to me from my childhood, and the childhood of my son and daughter. Fighting for our hobby doesn't need to be an all or nothing, my way or the highway, scorched earth effort. Lets be positive, constructive and participative: rather than tear down a figure, offer an alternate formula, maybe even make a custom and share it. Personal leadership is difficult in our times. Taking the high ground is a challenge. Being a good person is rare. We are a different breed, as GI Joe enthusiasts. Lets show people just how good. Keep the faith... Yo Joe! There is no shortage of nerd rage and nerd entitlement on all fan boy sites. But if you attack your fan base or throw labels around you can’t complain when your base turns on you. Many fans who did not enjoy the new films have come out and said that they can tolerate a bad film but will not tolerate being labeled as something they are not because they didn’t like something.
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08-11-2018, 06:15 PM | #3 |
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If you want more examples, look no further than Star Wars fans, and the vicious response to the new movies. Reflecting back on our own community, look at the division between cartoon series, comic publishers, and movies. O-Ring and Modern Era. Live Action Movie and our expectations. We have our own Toxic Fans.
Then when the fans started offering criticism of the movie, Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy's faction couldn't resist spamming twitter with responses that were guaranteed to piss people off, which resulted in the current toxic situation. Twitter reponses like this. Yeah, Rian Johnson and various people who were working in Star Wars under Kathleen Kennedy like Lawrence Kasdan were spamming responses like those OVER 6 MONTHS. Bloody couldn't keep their mouths shut and let it blow over. They kept reminding people why they didn't like the Last Jedi and were VERY SMUG about it on twitter. Can you blame people for being furious and never forgetting when the guys are on twitter REPEATEDLY reminding people about it and then posting responses like that daily? --------- For example Jon Kasdan Tweeted this right before Solo a Star Wars story premiered. https://mobile.twitter.com/JonKasdan...84135933050880 Like Seriously? Did Jon Kasdan, a writer on Solo A Star Wars Story, have to tweet this when people told him to his face THEY HATED his Lando is Pan-sexual theory a few days before Solo A Star Wars Story launched? That's TERRIBLE business sense. Did he have to remind everyone of his insane Lando is Pansexual theory that everyone hated RIGHT BEFORE THE MOVIE OPENED? And it's not like it ended there, he kept going and going and GOING on about it months afterward. Annoying people and pissing people off and reminding them why they didn't like it. https://mobile.twitter.com/JonKasdan...2278201346?p=v -------------------- Like it literally blows my mind, they literally couldn't help themselves posting garbage to anger fans on the Star Wars twitter, it made no sense, and it's what actually caused the current situation, NOT TOXIC FANS. |
08-11-2018, 06:15 PM | #4 |
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There is a lot of validity in what you are writing. However, when specifically referring to Star Wars I think it’s only fair to point out that while many fans did not enjoy some of the newer films the toxicity festered from many high profile Lucas Film people of labeling people who did not enjoy the films as racist and or sexist. BOTH side could have chosen their words better and kept the arguments from getting personal but LF/Disney basically made blanket statements against large groups of fans simply for not liking a hugely unpopular film.
There is no shortage of nerd rage and nerd entitlement on all fan boy sites. But if you attack your fan base or throw labels around you can’t complain when your base turns on you. Many fans who did not enjoy the new films have come out and said that they can tolerate a bad film but will not tolerate being labeled as something they are not because they didn’t like something. Even right here on Hisstank we have fans who scream at the top of their lungs about “social justice warriors” and other imaginary enemies, as if diversity is somehow a personal attack on them. It is disgusting. |
08-11-2018, 06:23 PM | #5 |
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I'm sure I have given extreme criticism to the club and Hasbro over the years, but it's been both positive and negative. I will say that Joe fans are the farthest from toxic as you can get. I went to my first Joecon this year, and even though there was a lot to be negative about, every one there was positive and enthusiastic. (I wasn't there for the parachute drop). From what I've heard, every Joecon was like this. Just great people, enjoying a great hobby. I've enjoyed myself on this site over the years and look forward to many years to come. Yes, we are in a retail hiatus, but I'll never be in a Joe hiatus thanks to this site, and the people I've met on here.
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08-11-2018, 06:31 PM | #6 |
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It's very dangerous to bring up Star Wars and then call for restraint and for people to be nicer.
That's all I'll say about any of this.
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08-11-2018, 06:31 PM | #7 |
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It would be easier to accept, if not for the fact that so much of the criticism was explicitly racist and sexist. John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, and Kelly Tran all suffered personal, bigoted attacks which had nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the film.
Even right here on Hisstank we have fans who scream at the top of their lungs about “social justice warriors” and other imaginary enemies, as if diversity is somehow a personal attack on them. It is disgusting. you have a writer on Solo a Star Wars story who explicitly is pushing fringe sexual identity on people. People who are predominantly NOT pansexual? https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/17/17...onathan-kasdan Every protagonist under Disney Star Wars is Female or is of minority descent, all of the bad guys are either aliens or mostly White Males, no equal representation at all. Then we get wonderful idiocy like this which looks real REAL bad when we couple the stuff above. https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnarc...hleen_kennedy/ ---------------- How is that not going to make people suspicious? I want EQUAL REPRESENTATIOn for everyone, equality for all. I don't want someone who is a Female Supremacist or a Minority Supremacist pushing their agenda for privileges instead of equal rights. That's gross man, that ain't social justice. I don't remember civil rights being about shet like this right? |
08-11-2018, 06:33 PM | #8 |
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But then they wouldn't make money, would they? As for imaginary enemies? Sure there's petty complaints about diversity, but there also the people who want to censor the world because their feelings get hurt? Those aren't imaginary. They exist. On both sides of the fence. Last edited by Sean_C; 08-11-2018 at 06:36 PM.. |
08-11-2018, 06:45 PM | #9 |
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i respect your response. I know lore is cherished by fans of any fiction. I have been to Joe Cons where the restrictions were explained in plain language, and yet fans sitting next to me were still beside themselves with outright anger and fury towards the Club and Hasbro. I just don't share that form of disagreement. Disney and Lucasfilms are plainly in it for the money. I think George is the only person that spoke out about creative liberties taken and lore that was ignored in the SW universe. SOME vocal Joe fans seem to forget that Hasbro is a toy company seeking to make a profit for shareholders. The club tried to give us what we wanted, and still exercised their creative allowances to also produce characters they liked too. We would have done the same. I know a Joe collector that really dislikes Brian on a personal level. I distance myself from this collector whenever he launches into a tirade about the club.
As far as "tolerating" bad films and not tolerating being called names, my goodness... Sticks and Stones. People that know me and dont know me can call me names. They can label me. I really dont care. If I dont like something I stay away from it. IF ASKED, I will share my reasons. I dont take it personally if things dont change to my liking. It is entertaining that people actually use the term "tolerate" as though they have a voice in the decision. I hope GI Joe returns with a whole new scale and mythos. I would love a major reboot or reset of the brand. Its time for change. I grew up on the Adventure Team. ARAH was a huge departure in scale, and in lore. I am ready for a 1:12 scale. Yo Joe
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08-11-2018, 06:50 PM | #10 |
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Dangerous? Wow, thats pretty serious. Dangerous how? For whom? Time to calm down. This isn't real life.
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