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08-06-2017, 11:49 PM | #21 |
Cobra Viper
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ROC was lame crap. Bad director. Bad script. Too sci-fi. Too much CGI. Black costumes recycled from X-Men movies. Who's that guy with a sword and lips in his mask?
Positives? Scarlett and Baroness were fun (minus the idiotic Baroness-Duke nonsense). People know crap when they see it, kids included. Hard to be excited about crap, no matter how cool some of the toys were. |
08-07-2017, 12:05 AM | #22 |
Cyber Warfare Specialist
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ROC did not hurt the "line" as much as Retaliation's one year delay. That killed retailer confidence in Joe as a toy line. Hasbro's deal with Paramount is letting the tail wag the dog.
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08-07-2017, 12:17 AM | #23 |
Cobra Viper
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I don't think it changed anything. Naturally if it were an exceptional movie it may have drawn more attention. I don't think there was any real in-roads made with the kids at all. The 25th figures while great, didn't create a new generation of fans. Neither did the movies. I think they need a cheesy cartoon movie. No one dies, tons of oneliners and lasers and everyone misses, then a toy tie-into the movie. Merchandise in every form in every aisle from gum to wrapping paper to fruit snacks to Joe-Cola and Purple Drink and Chocolate Donuts. Then the toys will sell.
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08-07-2017, 08:13 PM | #24 |
Major Issues
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I agree that the first movie's failure (artistically, anyway. It was a moderate success at the box office) probably didn't affect the toy line so much as lack of interest outside of the core audience, which is now in its 40s. Kids didn't care about GI Joe.
I think a decent portion of the Joe line's success in the 80s was due to the fact that it coincided with the heyday of the action movie. Interest in dudes with guns was at an all time high back then, and Joe kind of rode that wave. After the 80s ended, it was more about fantasy based characters like the Ninja Turtles. Nowadays it's all about super heroes, which Joe isn't, even if it shares some of the same DNA. If they could figure out how to connect GI Joe and Minecraft, they might be onto something, but otherwise it will probably just stay a nostalgia brand. That's only my two cents, I'm probably off base on a lot of it. |
08-07-2017, 09:29 PM | #25 |
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Substancly, it was the setup that destroyed any possible hope for the second film. First impressions matter most people who saw Rise Of Cobra did not go back for Retaliation because they knew ( thought)it was going to be a steaming pile of horse shit. The problem with the ROC toys was they were bland as he'll, you couldn't tell one character from the other. Those black suits looked like something out of the Blue Oyster Bar from Police Academy. Delaying the second film and toys was the nail in the coffin for the casual fan. I'm still trying to figure out how the Rock keeps getting acting jobs, he sucks. Every movie I've seen him in he always looks constipated. Terry Crews would have been a great choice for Roadblock, bad casting ,shitty toys, poorly written scripts it all adds up to what we have know.
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08-07-2017, 11:34 PM | #26 |
Iron Grenadier
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I think the movie was a dud, but it tried. There will never be a movie made that is respectful to the original Hama written ARAH story. Personally, I would love an original period piece done exactly like that (with a little more gritty realism), but the dreadful ways that movies are made anymore (where profit derived from a guaranteed plot formula takes precedence over actual storytelling) will guarantee that this will never happen. ROC was not good because it had a terrible director at the helm, and yet, the overall story still kind of remained faithful to the source material while trying to make it it's own story. And it retained that kind of alternative world of future-militarianism with just-over-the-horizon tech. GI Joe was always a military sci-fi genre to me. The movie did not kickstart a rejuvenation of the line, which was the goal, I think. But the line had already been brought back from near-death before the film with the 25th anniversary line.
For die-hard Joe fans, the movie was kind of blasphemous. And yet, the toy line tie-in offered us one of the most prolific and expansive lines since the original ARAH run. And they weren't bad. There were a lot of good figures and vehicles offered. I think they did kind of oversaturate the retail shelves, and it soured box stores on the line from POC on. Which is kind of sad, because from the 25th on until the last of the 50th at TRU, I have consistently had a difficult time finding product in the stores when they were available. I don't shop other lines, so I don't know if this is a problem elsewhere. But it seems GI Joe sold no matter what. Did ROC hurt the line? I don't think so. I think retail stores and Hasbro's own indecisiveness with how to handle the line "successfully" did the most damage. |
08-08-2017, 12:06 AM | #27 |
Iron Grenadier
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Substancly, it was the setup that destroyed any possible hope for the second film. First impressions matter most people who saw Rise Of Cobra did not go back for Retaliation because they knew ( thought)it was going to be a steaming pile of horse shit. The problem with the ROC toys was they were bland as he'll, you couldn't tell one character from the other. Those black suits looked like something out of the Blue Oyster Bar from Police Academy. Delaying the second film and toys was the nail in the coffin for the casual fan. I'm still trying to figure out how the Rock keeps getting acting jobs, he sucks. Every movie I've seen him in he always looks constipated. Terry Crews would have been a great choice for Roadblock, bad casting ,shitty toys, poorly written scripts it all adds up to what we have know.
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08-08-2017, 05:57 AM | #28 |
Red Guardian
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Oh and don't forget he said they were bland as he'll instead of hell. Granted that they should of had the Rock play a different and had someone like Terry Crews to play Roadblock, just to keep it like the ARAH character's appearance. By the way, the Rock makes a great action hero. Also, the toys from both movies don't suck. Apparently, he doesn't buy or collect G.I. Joe toys like the rest of us do. IMHO
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08-08-2017, 08:28 AM | #29 |
Crimson Guard
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It was pretty bad.
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08-08-2017, 09:31 AM | #30 |
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Hasbro bought a failed movie idea and turned it into GI JOE. Which is probably why it didn't come across as being a GI JOE movie, the plot was closer to something Jamie Fox would have excelled in.
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