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01-06-2016, 07:40 PM | #11 |
Crimson Guard
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If you want odd, the Swedish S-Tank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_103), while definitely not air droppable (at least not more than once!) is the only post-WW2 tank without a turret. The gun is fixed facing forward and is aimed by traversing the vehicle or raising/lowering the suspension. It had a crew of 2 to 3. The 3rd guy (optional) was a second driver who faced rear and could reverse the vehicle at high speed if conducting a delay or withdrawal. Anyway, as most Joe vehicles seem to only need a crew of one, as opposed to the more normal 3-4 of real life vehicles, this one gets close to Joe in that respect.
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01-06-2016, 07:56 PM | #12 |
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Having a driver facing both directions definitely sounds like something GI Joe might do. Although in GI Joe it would probably burp out a smaller baby tank or something.
I always imagined the gun/hull combo idea was to park it at the end of a road or mountain pass and place firepower on a pre-registered bottleneck. |
01-07-2016, 02:01 PM | #13 |
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The S-tank was designed to have the lowest possible silhouette and was optimized for defensive warfare. In WWII this configuration was popular as it allowed a larger gun to be mounted and was cheaper and faster to produce than a tank with a regular turret. The German StuGs especially were quite effective.
I wonder if there's any chance we might see a return to this design in the future - you could probably mount a 125 mm (or perhaps more) on a chassis the size of a Bradley weighing less than 30 tons. |
01-07-2016, 03:42 PM | #14 |
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The S-tank was designed to have the lowest possible silhouette and was optimized for defensive warfare. In WWII this configuration was popular as it allowed a larger gun to be mounted and was cheaper and faster to produce than a tank with a regular turret. The German StuGs especially were quite effective.
I wonder if there's any chance we might see a return to this design in the future - you could probably mount a 125 mm (or perhaps more) on a chassis the size of a Bradley weighing less than 30 tons. |
01-07-2016, 07:53 PM | #15 |
just a Marine
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos
I always thought the Ontos reminded me a lot of the ARAH Armadillo with the recoiless rifles. I participated in an exercise in the 90s where we did a forced entry airfield seizure by air, but the only elements parachuted in were the recon elements and exercise evaluators that went with them. The recon teams jumped in, set up OPs, then we landed C-141s escorted by Cobras (AH-1s, not Televipers), the Cobras flying right along side the C-141s, the planes would stop, LAVs would roll out the back, and the plane would take off immediately, while seconds later, another plane would come in with another one. Really cool exercise, but more realistic than parachute drops. |
01-08-2016, 05:21 AM | #16 |
Cobra Lab Rat
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Well actually, airborne would more likely drop an armored car or some form of apc mounted with tank caliber guns or missiles which function exactly like light tanks for scouting and fire support and are lighter. Very few countries use dedicated light tanks like Britain or the Philipines as light tanks are functionally similar to IFVs.
(True light tanks) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVR%28T%29#Variants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_light_tank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-01 Armored Car/wheeled apc with tank caliber guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_10_RC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B1_Centauro Infantry fighting Vehicle with tank caliber gun mounted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S25_Sprut-SD Infantry Fighting Vehicle with Anti- tank missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1134_...issile_Vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NM142 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_Armored_Gun_System Keep in mind, airdropping Infantry fighting vehicles is difficult since they're heavy,most armies don't have Light tanks and armored cars can have mobility trouble on rough terrain (they're wheeled AND heavier than a normal car) so a lot of airbourne divisions instead just put missile launchers, mortars and tons of machine guns on light utility vehicles like Humvees and just airdrop a ton of those. |
01-08-2016, 10:25 AM | #17 |
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So I guess the Armadillo would be a nice airdrop joe vehicle to support the troops. Its small & light and fits into most air vehicles. I wonder if i would put a tank turret on it, it would probably look like a spartan tank, kinda.
However Chap Mei made a Wiesel tank some time ago. This would be a nice project to customize it for my steelbrigade team.
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01-08-2016, 03:47 PM | #18 |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos
I always thought the Ontos reminded me a lot of the ARAH Armadillo with the recoiless rifles. |
01-08-2016, 03:51 PM | #19 |
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I guess I am saying that with a S-tank style design you could actually mount a gun the size of what is on a MBT on a smaller and lighter chassis. |
01-08-2016, 04:15 PM | #20 |
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From a Joeverse POV it seems to me that the Paralyzer looks like it could be fairly airmobile.
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